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What did you think about Captain Jellico?

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TamElbrun

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Report this Jan. 03 2012, 8:35 pm

"Chain of Command" is an excellent episode--one of my favorites. Jellico made it very interesting because his style was so different to that of Picard's. Objectively, I'd have to say I think him a worse captain, not because his methods are ineffective, but because he did not posess the depth of Picard--he was unable to think in three (or, as we have seen often from Picard, four) dimensions. He was too focused on his preconceptions (good for the mission at hand, perhaps, but contrary to what an ideal Starfleet commander should be, as they are constantly presented with the unknown and should assume nothing).


 


One great thing he did for us was get Troi into a standard uniform, which I thought was very becoming. Getting Troi into big girl clothes really seemed to get her character going down some more serious, command-related, storylines. It certainly helped me take her more seriously (not to mention I didn't realize she was a lieutenant commander until then).


 


 


 


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Report this Jan. 04 2012, 5:19 pm

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It always confuses me when starry-eyed fans get on the "Starfleet is not millitary" kick.

Really? REALLY???

They have an exclusive academy for training officers

They have a strict rank and chain-of-command system

They are called upon to defend the Federation if hostilities break out, and they are the primary functioning body in warfare

They are charged with protecting Federation citizens

They arm themselves with weapons capable of killing

Their ships have enough firepower to level the surface of a planet

What part of this DOESN'T sound like "millitary" to you??? Seriously, just because their primary charter is to explore the galaxy, it doesn't mean they are not a millitary. They are as millitary as the United States Navy.

It's old school Trek canon. GR claimed the star fleet was not military. In TOS Kirk even says the star fleet is not a military organization, but your right. All one has to do is watch the show and it's clear they are. I think the idea of being non-military was abandoned when it was realized it wasn't going to work.


 


Kirk also says in Errand of Mercy "Forgive me, I'm a soldier, not a diplomat." Seems like conflicting viewpoints.


I think Gene had some high-sounding philosophy...but actions speak louder than words. Main characters and even Trek's revered creator can say "Starfleet is not millitary," but the reality is that Starfleet IS millitary based on everything we see on screen. I can say "I'm not developing a beer gut" all I want, but that doesn't make it true (unfortunately).


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Report this Jan. 04 2012, 5:25 pm

Quote: Beershark @ Jan. 03 2012, 3:52 pm

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>It's old school Trek canon. GR claimed the star fleet was not military. In TOS Kirk even says the star fleet is not a military organization, but your right. All one has to do is watch the show and it's clear they are. I think the idea of being non-military was abandoned when it was realized it wasn't going to work.

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Sounds to me like Roddenberry was wrong -- there's nothing to indicate a practical discrepancy between Starfleet and the definition of a "military".


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Report this Jan. 05 2012, 4:12 am

Quote: TamElbrun @ Jan. 03 2012, 8:35 pm

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>One great thing he did for us was get Troi into a standard uniform, which I thought was very becoming. Getting Troi into big girl clothes really seemed to get her character going down some more serious, command-related, storylines. It certainly helped me take her more seriously (not to mention I didn't realize she was a lieutenant commander until then).

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Her rank was stated & shown in Encounter at Farpoint when she was in the short uniform.  The odd thing though is that while Riker was leading the away team & ordered Troi, Yar & LaForge to return to the ship while he continued on with Data, Troi protested & Riker said "You have your orders LT.  Carry them out."  A LT CDR is often referred to as CDR but usually not just LT.  It was also stated in Disaster when she was the ranking officer on the bridge, and intercom was offline.

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Report this Jan. 05 2012, 9:21 am

Her rank was also shown in "Conundrum" when the crew finally discovers the ship's manifest.

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Report this Jan. 09 2012, 2:52 am

IMO Jelico was limited in scope. This would reflect upon larger issues of command in areas such as a lack of creativity, adaptability and morale. History has shown that commanders who dictate rather than include ideas usually fail. Napoleon, Scipio Africanus, Julian etc all sought additional points of view. Seeing as they are the greatest generals of all time, it is worth considering their habbits. Picard would appreciate this.

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Report this Jan. 09 2012, 8:09 pm

Quote: Antoninus Pius @ Jan. 09 2012, 2:52 am

>IMO Jelico was limited in scope. This would reflect upon larger issues of command in areas such as a lack of creativity, adaptability and morale. History has shown that commanders who dictate rather than include ideas usually fail. Napoleon, Scipio Africanus, Julian etc all sought additional points of view. Seeing as they are the greatest generals of all time, it is worth considering their habbits. Picard would appreciate this.


 


But we're only seeing Jellico manage through this ONE crisis situation which, admittedly, did not lend itself toward debating and discussing options in a committee format. Jellico was a temporary assignment to handle an impending crisis, selected specifically to handle the situation in a particular way and based on his very specific experiences... and he behaved accordingly. Who is to say that he conducted himself like that aboard the USS Ciaro under normal situations? He was with an unfamilliar crew in a crisis situation...and as he said to Troi (and I completely agree with him) he didn't have time for a honeymoon with the crew.


 


I'm surprised that this critical aspect of the plot seems to be lost on people. It's not an apples-to-apples comparison. There is a time and place for collaboration and there is a time and place to drop the hammer. Jellico knew it was time to drop the hammer, and the Enterprise crew reacted unprofessionally at best.


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Report this Jan. 12 2012, 5:49 pm

I voted, "He was equal with Picard."  He has a totally different style than Picard and I didn't like Jellico as a person, but as a Captain I can see his style working in some cases.  Starfleet probably needs hard$$$es just as much as they need the more diplomatic types.


 


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Report this Jan. 12 2012, 8:37 pm

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Exactly haha


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Report this Jan. 12 2012, 11:17 pm

They needed a specialist who could come in erase some mistakes and be home in time for cornflakes, and that's what he was for.


I thought he was awesome and yes Riker was being a crybaby just because his commanding officer wanted strict prescision; he even ran to Picard with the intention of tattling. As other(mainly Vger23) have stated they were in a high state of readyness because things could have gone from bad to worse in a split second.


I think Capt Jellico should have went all Col. Jessup on Riker:
"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to."  


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Report this Jan. 13 2012, 6:51 am

Jellico gave me Troi in the blue uniform, so I can never click the "Worse than Picard" option.

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