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James T. Kirk or James R. Kirk?

Gabriella-Kirk

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Report this Dec. 28 2011, 5:41 am

Its simply a mistake. In the huge archive book called star trek vault it states that the letter R was incorrect. It always has been and always will be Tiberius

Ghostmojo

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Report this Dec. 28 2011, 12:05 pm

Quote: Gabriella-Kirk @ Dec. 28 2011, 5:41 am

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>Its simply a mistake. In the huge archive book called star trek vault it states that the letter R was incorrect. It always has been and always will be Tiberius

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Ya think? ...


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Gabriella-Kirk

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Report this Dec. 28 2011, 2:28 pm

Quote: Ghostmojo @ Dec. 28 2011, 12:05 pm

Quote: Gabriella-Kirk @ Dec. 28 2011, 5:41 am

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>Its simply a mistake. In the huge archive book called star trek vault it states that the letter R was incorrect. It always has been and always will be Tiberius

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Ya think? ...

hehehe I really did state the obvious didnt I

Ghostmojo

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Report this Dec. 31 2011, 3:03 am

Quote: Gabriella-Kirk @ Dec. 28 2011, 2:28 pm

Quote: Ghostmojo @ Dec. 28 2011, 12:05 pm

Quote: Gabriella-Kirk @ Dec. 28 2011, 5:41 am

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>Its simply a mistake. In the huge archive book called star trek vault it states that the letter R was incorrect. It always has been and always will be Tiberius

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Ya think? ...

hehehe I really did state the obvious didnt I


Just a bit!


What would your middle initial be?


Gabriella ... Kirk?


R or T?


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denise.dion2

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Report this Jan. 17 2012, 8:33 pm

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You have to read the My Brother's Keeper trilogy - Republic / Constitution / Enterprise by Michael Jan Friedman which discusses all of this, as Kirk reflects upon the death of his former friend; following immediately on from the events of Where No Man Has Gone Before.


At one point Kirk says "R*********!!! - that's my middle name" to a suggestion by Mitchell. I won't spoil it for anybody who hasn't read it yet. Later on within these books other reasons for the R are offered up and it becomes a bit of a standing joke between them.


These books are great. They bridge the gap between the second pilot and the subsequent series in a highly effective manner.


Highly recommended (all three of them)


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they must be great books...I have a picture of the covers of those books....wonderful images...I like Gary Mitchell and Jim's close friendship to him...so sad that Gary had to die....


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CaptainBobApril

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Report this Jan. 17 2012, 9:44 pm

"Where No Man Has Gone Before" was made in July, 1965.


"The Corbomite Maneuver" was made in May, 1966.


Plenty of time to forget a detail like what initial was put on a prop.  And I'm pretty sure Kirk didn't invoke his middle initial until a few episodes in anyway, so even more time to forget.


Plus, Roddenberry liked the name "Tiberius" (Gary Lockwood's character in "The Lieutenant" was named William Tiberius Rice), so by the time Kirk's middle initial came back into play, GR went with T.

flottanna

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Report this Jan. 18 2012, 8:40 am

I don't remember that. I'm going to have to watch that episode again soon


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RoTrekkie

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Report this Jan. 21 2012, 4:07 am

I decided that if I ever have a son, his middle name will be Tiberius.


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Bikeman470

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Report this Feb. 02 2012, 2:53 pm

With all the changes they made to things on the remastered DVDS I can not believe they didn't simply change the stone to James T Kirk. But they didn't.

Spacegirl_Cro

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Report this Feb. 03 2012, 3:59 am

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>in "where no man has gone before" kirk is standing bofore his headstone that has engraved on it the name James R.Kirk....whats up with that

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I saw that too! .


Since we all know what 'T' stands for in James T. Kirk I thought that mistake was funny as hell.


 


P.S. thanks for posting...


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denise.dion2

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Report this Feb. 03 2012, 5:00 am

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>in "where no man has gone before" kirk is standing bofore his headstone that has engraved on it the name James R.Kirk....whats up with that

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I saw that too! .

 

It seems that Gary Mitchell isn't the perfect god after all.....he does make mistakes...I read somewhere that it stood for James Read it all Kirk....and in the novelization of the Motion Picture it says that Tiberius was given to him because it was his mother's love instructor....OKAY...that is pretty bizarre....

Since we all know what 'T' stands for in James T. Kirk I thought that mistake was funny as hell.

 

P.S. thanks for posting...


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cowgirlcadet

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Report this Feb. 25 2012, 9:26 pm

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Say what?!! I've read that book like, 3 times and I never saw anything like THAT! I forget where it was, but I read something to the effect that some ancestor, like, I think, a grandfather was named Tiberius, so it was a family name. Something like that, I think. I don't remember exactly.


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denise.dion2

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Report this Feb. 26 2012, 12:14 am

Quote: cowgirlcadet @ Feb. 25 2012, 9:26 pm

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Say what?!! I've read that book like, 3 times and I never saw anything like THAT! I forget where it was, but I read something to the effect that some ancestor, like, I think, a grandfather was named Tiberius, so it was a family name. Something like that, I think. I don't remember exactly.


 


Forgive me my friend, I made a mistake, James was the name that came from his mother's first love instructor, Tiberius was because of Grandpa Samuel who had a fascination for the man Tiberius.


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Dutchking2282

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Report this Feb. 28 2012, 6:05 pm

I am going to have to dig deeper to get this resolved. Even if I am sure it's a mistake. Plus, for all 3 years, CBS tried to get it canceled, if I remember correctly

Ghostmojo

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Report this Feb. 29 2012, 12:15 am

I think the plan was probably always that the lead character - the captain - should have the middle initial T.


I'm not sure it was ever expressed so for Christopher Pike, but Roddenberry's original captain was named:


Robert T. April


Therefore James T. Kirk merely inherited that idea

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