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What did JJ Abrams REALLY do for Star Trek ?

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Mitchz95

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Report this Dec. 13 2011, 8:32 am

Quote: Hugues @ Dec. 13 2011, 7:56 am

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>The only thing i do not like about the movie is that it kind of kills TNG,DS9 and Voyager. Only Enterprise escapes as it happened before.

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Though it wasn't really explained, the JJ movie takes place in a parallel universe, like those "quantum realities" seen in TNG Parallels. The prime timeline is unaffected.


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Report this Dec. 13 2011, 8:37 am

Quote: 2takesfrakes @ Dec. 13 2011, 8:03 am

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>What the hell is all this concern with the timeline?!

>OUR timeline wasn't screwed up by the movie! Hey!
Guess what? The Next Generation survived, because
every Season and every Movie is still available to own!
And not just on eBay, either - we are talking FRESH
printings, here! Please people, get off this timeline thing.

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Some fans wouldn't enjoy the old series/films as much if they "never happened" in Star Trek canon.


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Report this Dec. 13 2011, 6:02 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Dec. 13 2011, 8:37 am

Quote: 2takesfrakes @ Dec. 13 2011, 8:03 am

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Some fans wouldn't enjoy the old series/films as much if they "never happened" in Star Trek canon.


I like that you put "never happened" in quotes. It would be kinda strange that people would stop liking a fictional story because of ANOTHER fictional story.


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Report this Dec. 13 2011, 6:26 pm

well,


he brought in a whole new audience and alot of young viewers to Star Trek. that is good.


he really pissed off william shatner by not including him in the process. that is bad.


he, make that his writers wrote a really good movie that many have said would have been successful even if it werent Star trek. I disagree with that fully. that is good and bad.


He is making new Star Trek movies. that is good.


I dont really like his version of Trek. that is bad.


he picked great actors to play the roles. that is good.


I think I am undecided at the moment. But I am glad he is making the movies.


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stovokor2000-A

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Report this Dec. 13 2011, 9:58 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Dec. 13 2011, 8:37 am

Quote: 2takesfrakes @ Dec. 13 2011, 8:03 am

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>What the hell is all this concern with the timeline?!

>OUR timeline wasn't screwed up by the movie! Hey!
Guess what? The Next Generation survived, because
every Season and every Movie is still available to own!
And not just on eBay, either - we are talking FRESH
printings, here! Please people, get off this timeline thing.

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Some fans wouldn't enjoy the old series/films as much if they "never happened" in Star Trek canon.

which would really be a stupid way to look at the issue.


the 5 series were made, 10 films were made, they are all canon, even if history gets over written the older series still happened in canon.


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Mitchz95

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Report this Dec. 14 2011, 5:29 am

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Dec. 13 2011, 9:58 pm

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>the 5 series were made, 10 films were made, they are all canon, even if history gets over written the older series still happened in canon.

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If the other series got overwritten then they wouldn't have happened.


And many fans would be upset if that happened. I certainly was disappointed until I visited Memory Alpha and found out about the alternate-universe thing, which most fans wouldn't do.


I really wish JJ Abrams had made that more clear.


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Report this Dec. 14 2011, 5:39 am

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Dec. 14 2011, 5:29 am

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Dec. 13 2011, 9:58 pm

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>the 5 series were made, 10 films were made, they are all canon, even if history gets over written the older series still happened in canon.

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If the other series got overwritten then they wouldn't have happened.

And many fans would be upset if that happened. I certainly was disappointed until I visited Memory Alpha and found out about the alternate-universe thing, which most fans wouldn't do.

I really wish JJ Abrams had made that more clear.


even If the old timeline  got overwritten the events still happened, remember, this timeline couldnt exsist if not for Spock and Nero of the old timeline.


So no matter wehat, that timeline happened, it just may no longer exsist.


then they wouldn't have happened.


and JJ did maske it pretty clear in old Spocks dialog with young Spock.


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Report this Dec. 14 2011, 5:49 am

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Dec. 14 2011, 5:39 am

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>even If the old timeline  got overwritten the events still happened, remember, this timeline couldnt exsist if not for Spock and Nero of the old timeline.

>So no matter wehat, that timeline happened, it just may no longer exsist.

>then they wouldn't have happened.

>and JJ did maske it pretty clear in old Spocks dialog with young Spock.

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I guess it depends on how you look at time travel.


And as I recall, all Spock and Spock Prime talked about in the way of alternate timelines/universes was that Spock Prime hinted to Kirk that "universe-ending paradoxes would ensue should he break his promise". A lie, by the way.


Versus a dialogue about halfway through the movie where Spock specifically says that the new timeline overwrote the old one.


Unless there was something else I didn't pick up on, I don't think JJ made it very clear inside the movie.


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Report this Dec. 14 2011, 6:10 am

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Dec. 14 2011, 5:49 am

>I guess it depends on how you look at time travel.

>And as I recall, all Spock and Spock Prime talked about in the way of alternate timelines/universes was that Spock Prime hinted to Kirk that "universe-ending paradoxes would ensue should he break his promise". A lie, by the way.

>Versus a dialogue about halfway through the movie where Spock specifically says that the new timeline overwrote the old one.

>Unless there was something else I didn't pick up on, I don't think JJ made it very clear inside the movie.

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thats the line in question.If the implication of a universes ending paradox was a lie.............then the universe in question was never in danger.


which means both universes/timelines continue, at least thats how old Spock see's it.


and young Spock NEVER specifically said that the new timeline overwrote the old one.He only said that their lives would be different due to Nero's actions.


Now sure, some might percieve that line as you did, but its never defintively stated.


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Report this Dec. 14 2011, 6:18 am

I guess that's true.


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Report this Dec. 14 2011, 6:40 am

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Dec. 14 2011, 6:18 am

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>I guess that's true.

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in the end its up to each of us to decide which way they want to go


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Report this Dec. 17 2011, 10:40 am

st 2009 was okay.


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Report this Dec. 17 2011, 2:22 pm

Typical, boreing, cowboy crap (with accent on cow). I saw it 2 times, first time in cinema, second time after I got check on prequel comic book.


Comic book is much better then the movie. Without it the whole shit is worthless of money, and time spent.


I have more respect for Die Hard 4.


 


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This is my first and last post over this. 


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Report this Dec. 20 2011, 2:35 am

It was enjoyable and the movie even established it's AU. It brought new fans to a franchise that was dying, so no complaints about that....however, that movie also made Star Trek kind of into American Idol, which I'm not overly pleased with. The actor that suprised me the most was Urban, I did not think he would do Bones as well as he did.


All in all, enjoyable AU movie, but can we please get back to 24th century Trek?


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