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Sisko & Picard

OneDamnMinuteAdmiral

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Report this Oct. 18 2011, 7:41 am

Was guilt the reason Picard let Sisko talk like that to him? He was bordering on insubordination and did not ask to speak freely. It seems like anyother time Picard would have handed their ass to them. So my only guess is guilt.


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Report this Oct. 18 2011, 4:03 pm

It's obvious Sisko wasn't very happy when he had to speak with Picard. So Picard must have felt guild when Sisko remindet him on Wolf 359, and the circumstances which led to the loss of Sisko's wife especialy the involvement of Picard.

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Report this Oct. 18 2011, 5:27 pm

Picard or not, your duty is to keep your mouth shut in that case... if you have at least 1% of humanity within... In some other less forgiving scenario, Picard, as any other assimilated starfleet officer, should be killed for good, as he said it in the First Contact.


 


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Report this Oct. 19 2011, 7:15 am

Now that was an awkward meeting!


 



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Report this Oct. 19 2011, 12:12 pm

I think Picard at that point was still reeling from the ramifications of what he was forced to do while "integrated" into the Borg.  I think he allowed Sisko alot of lattitude while briefing him on the Enterprise because of it. 


Realistically, can we agree that Sisko probably isn't the first (or the last) to show such animosity towards Picard for his actions at Wolf 359?  I'm sure there's not just a single pist off Starfleet officer about what occured there, or the fact that Picard was filed right back into the order of battle after "recovering" for a month or two on Earth... 


I know if I were Sisko, or another Starfleet member who lost friends or family during any of the Borg attacks I would've been angered that Picard retained his command after such an incident.  We didn't see any court martial or review of his actions within Starfleet, not even a hearing.... 


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Report this Oct. 19 2011, 3:40 pm

Guilt most definitely guilt. Though he had no control of what he did, Picard struggled with that throughout the show and the books. If Sisko would do it over and over again, I bet Picard would not have let him get away with it though.


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Report this Oct. 19 2011, 4:01 pm

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>I think Picard at that point was still reeling from the ramifications of what he was forced to do while "integrated" into the Borg.  I think he allowed Sisko alot of lattitude while briefing him on the Enterprise because of it. 

>Realistically, can we agree that Sisko probably isn't the first (or the last) to show such animosity towards Picard for his actions at Wolf 359?  I'm sure there's not just a single pist off Starfleet officer about what occured there, or the fact that Picard was filed right back into the order of battle after "recovering" for a month or two on Earth... 

>I know if I were Sisko, or another Starfleet member who lost friends or family during any of the Borg attacks I would've been angered that Picard retained his command after such an incident.  We didn't see any court martial or review of his actions within Starfleet, not even a hearing.... 

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Yeah that.


 


Can't imagine how many people have animosity towards Picard because he was Locutus.  I suppose no Court Martial because he was under control by the Borg.


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Report this Oct. 19 2011, 6:05 pm

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>i understand that sisko was upset and rightfully so but it was not  right to the death of his wife on picard.picard was a victim just as siskos wife was.picard was the better man for letting the insubordination go 

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It's easy for a third party to say that...  but substitute your partner in for Jennifer Sisko and see how you feel...  Locutus or not, it was Picard's likeness that represented the Borg and Picard's knowledge which dismantled the Federation's defences and almost assimilated the entire population of Earth...  I know that I'd have some choice words for Picard.


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Report this Oct. 20 2011, 7:08 am

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>i understand that sisko was upset and rightfully so but it was not  right to the death of his wife on picard.picard was a victim just as siskos wife was.picard was the better man for letting the insubordination go 

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It's easy for a third party to say that...  but substitute your partner in for Jennifer Sisko and see how you feel...  Locutus or not, it was Picard's likeness that represented the Borg and Picard's knowledge which dismantled the Federation's defences and almost assimilated the entire population of Earth...  I know that I'd have some choice words for Picard.


So do you think in a real world stuation that Picard would have lost command over that then?


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Report this Oct. 20 2011, 8:27 am

Quote: OneDamnMinuteAdmiral @ Oct. 20 2011, 7:08 am

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>So do you think in a real world stuation that Picard would have lost command over that then?

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I've never served in the armed forces, so I'm not sure there is any precedent there with command status as it relates to traumatic expereinces that we could look to as an example....


...however...  as usual, I have an opinion.     My opinion is that Picard should've been extensively debriefed and evaluated both physically and emotionally as to whether or not he still had the capability to command effectively.  My understanding (which admittedly could be wrong) was that Picard was only on Earth for a month or two at most after the Borg Incident.  IMHO, two months isn't enough time to debrief and fully evaluate a person who underwent such an experience...  which I can only describe as a very new and perverted type of rape.  And you can't leave the Enterprise in spacedock forever waiting for this process to be completed...  so maybe Riker is temporarily given command of the Enterprise while this process is completed... 


Relieving Picard of his command would only be an option if the evaluation time carried on for a long time (longer than 6 month IMO) or if he was deemed based on that evaluation that he was no longer fit to command.


(Also remember, he's not commanding some science or transport vessel, he's commanding the flagship of the Federation... Starfleet Command better be darn sure the captain of that ship is fit to command under some stressful situations, and present a face that is acceptable and in accordance with Starfleet regualtions.)


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Report this Oct. 23 2011, 7:07 pm



Picard should have taken the Kobayashi Maru test, Borg style to see if he was fit for command again.




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Report this Oct. 23 2011, 7:14 pm

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>Picard should have taken the Kobayashi Maru test, Borg style to see if he was fit for command again.

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Ha ha...  I can just imagine a complete meltdown on the training bridge...  but would've been a good test.


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