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Worf and the Prime Directive

clover_data

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Report this Oct. 11 2011, 6:34 am

Does the Prime Directive applies to Worf about inferring with internal Klingon matters?


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tribblenator999

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Report this Oct. 11 2011, 7:37 am

no cause klingons are warp capable. Prime directive only applies to the federation or other warp capable species interfering with the natural development of non warp capable species.

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Report this Oct. 11 2011, 1:25 pm

I thought that the prime directive states that no starfleet personnal should inferfere with no internal social affers even if it is warp capable.


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Report this Oct. 11 2011, 7:40 pm

The Prime Directive applies whether a society has achieved warp capability or not. In "First Contact", Picard stated clearly to Chancellor Durken, that even with warp capability, his people's destiny would be determined by them alone. 


In "Reunion", Picard scolded Worf for killing Duras, outright stating it as a violation of his duty as a Starfleet Officer... the implication being that he violated the Prime Directive. In large part, Worf resigned in "Redemption" so he could partake in Klingon politics, because Picard stated that do so as a Starfleet Officer would violated the Prime Directive. Sisko should technically have given Worf a scolding for killing Gowron, but Sisko looked the other way since Gowron was wasting resources during war.

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Report this Oct. 12 2011, 12:29 pm

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>The prime directive applies to every species except human I think. 

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Why would the Prime Directive not apply to humans? It's Federation law. I think humans are not as likely to seek outside help given their status as founding members of the Federation.

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Report this Oct. 12 2011, 1:11 pm

Worf and the Prime Directive


Hmmm .. good name for a band

lostshaker

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Report this Oct. 13 2011, 7:00 am

"I was remembering this quote from episode "masterpiece society"


RIKER: The colonists are all on board, sir.
PICARD: How many finally?
RIKER: Twenty three.
PICARD: If we ever needed reminding of the importance of the Prime Directive, it is now.
RIKER: The Prime Directive doesn't apply. They're human."


Riker's statement may have been misinterpreted. The Prime Directive didn't apply in that the ENT crew weren't forbidden from making contact or offering aid... the same curtousy would be extended to Vulcans, Andorians, Tellarites, etc... any member of the Federation. The colony was established in 2168, post the Federation's Founding, so the colonists - having originated from earth - were already aware of warp drive and other life forms throughout the galaxy.


Riker: The Prime Directive doesn't apply. They're human.


Picard: Doesn't it? Our very presence may have damaged, even destroyed, their way of life. Whether or not we agree with that way of life or whether they're human or not is irrelevant, Number One. We are responsible... But in the end we may have proved just as dangerous to that colony as any core fragment could ever have been.


Probably because starfleet wants to embrace other cultures and learn from them, even join their federation if possible.   


Again, I think this is a misinterpretation. Earth wants to learn about the galaxy, but humans don't go around asking aliens to interfere in earth's internal policies. The Prime Directive allows for trade amongst space faring civilizations, but generally forbids interaction with those that are planet bound to allow for planetary sovereignty.



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Report this Oct. 15 2011, 3:09 pm

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>If the prime directive applied to humans, exposeng humans to technology would have been out of the question.

>The prime directive is a general order for the federation.  How can a human be charged with violating the prime directive by interfering with the culture of their own species? 

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I believe I'm more on the same page with you now, and may have misinterpreted your prior statment.


The prime directive does apply to humans in that Vulcan cannot interfere with the internal affairs of Earth, just as the reverse is also true. But humans can more directly engage other human colonies. Though one has to be careful. It is an assumption that the prime directive is purely a Federation Law. Individual planets, colonies, etc... may have adopted this law on a planetary level to enforce their own sovereignty in defense of foreign intrusion. Vulcan, for example, had a non-interference mandate before the Federation was created.  It is therefore possible to interfere in the culture of one's own species based on local ordinances. For example, in "The Masterpiece Society", Picard may have been in violation of the Prime Directive had he forcibly relocated the inhabitants. In "Journey's End", a case could be made for Starfleet violating the Prime Directive with the forced relocation of the American Indians. But I grant that many, especially those that don't even like the Prime Directive, will think that interpretation too strict.

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Report this Oct. 21 2011, 10:40 am

I don't think so because he had to stop serving Star Fleet and resign as per Picard. Had he stayed a Star Fleet officer, yes but since he was not a member anymore and in turn joining the Klingon Empire in it's civil war, no. 


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