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Canonization of Books

2takesfrakes

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Report this Dec. 03 2011, 7:43 am

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ Nov. 30 2011, 12:03 pm

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>Mutual love for Sarah Silverman aside, how can you say that about Vanguard?????????? It's David Mack's gift to Trek fans. It is TOS in a new light done right, not the JJ way.

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Because enough off-putting, lame garbage has already
made its way into "canon" through OFFICIAL channels!
If a STAR TREK novelist ever does get to write a show's script,
it's made to fit the format of the show and (at least) gets filtered ...


I've only read a very few Trek novels and I have found them to
be difficult to shoehorn into the format I see on TV. The author's
spin on STAR TREK, its characters and environments - even when
filtered by Paramount - rarely correspond, at all ... and their "fresh"
ideas always seem well-circulated and uninspiring, anyway ...


like the Borg/V'ger connection. Egads! Get rid of it ... !!!


guillermo.mejía

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Report this Dec. 03 2011, 5:30 pm

Oh well comapring the Borg/V'ger connection to Vanguard doesn't seem fair at all. It's a ridiculous connection between those 2 elements, since the Borg have organic components, and would not built a superior ship like that for an archaic probe to complete its mission.


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Report this Dec. 04 2011, 10:36 am

I am really enjoying the Typhon Pact story line but I will not argue if it should be cannon or not. However any stories that do not harm the established stories I think should be considered for cannon, one of my favs has always been "A Stitch in Time" which gave us a great view of Garak. Uma MacCormak's "The Never Ending Sacrifice" was a good view of Cardassian culture both pre and post Dominion.


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Report this Dec. 22 2011, 9:34 am

The editor in charge of trek lit would be in charge of canonization. The authors and editors themselves are fans. They already work closely together and use memories alpha and beta to ensure accuracy and reduce conflicts. The books you canonize are the ones published since the "relaunch" began and they began having better editorial controls.

2takesfrakes

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Report this Dec. 24 2011, 8:56 am

Annie and I aren't liking this "Canonization of Books" concept ... at ... ALL!!!

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Report this Dec. 25 2011, 1:24 am

Quote: Middleman @ Nov. 28 2011, 11:01 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Nov. 20 2011, 12:17 pm

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>All the books of the relaunch should be canonized. They maintain continuity better than the previous books and even the series did. I'd say the quality of books in the last few years on the whole are the best stories the franchise ever put out.

I agree


 


I disagree for a few reasons, especially as far as Voyager is concerned...


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Report this Dec. 25 2011, 1:24 am

Quote: Middleman @ Nov. 28 2011, 11:01 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Nov. 20 2011, 12:17 pm

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>All the books of the relaunch should be canonized. They maintain continuity better than the previous books and even the series did. I'd say the quality of books in the last few years on the whole are the best stories the franchise ever put out.

I agree


 


I disagree for a few reasons, especially as far as Voyager is concerned...


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Report this Jan. 13 2012, 11:04 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ Nov. 19 2011, 8:28 pm

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>To me "Canon" means not much more than stuff that you should try -- where possible -- not to contradict. It doesn't have the quasi-religious status that some have ascribed to it. That's where the series/book distinction comes in: The books have such a vast and rapidly expanding mythos that it is nigh impossible not to be contradictory on occasion.

>That said, it's all fiction, not history. Whatever I'm reading at the time, regardless of what I think of it, is as "real" as anything else. And in my notion of the Trek world -- which of course is not going to be the same as another fan's -- anything that has not yet been contradicted, "happened".

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Well said.  I completely agree.  It's not that serious.


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Report this Jan. 13 2012, 11:49 am

Quote: 2takesfrakes @ Dec. 24 2011, 8:56 am

>Annie and I aren't liking this "Canonization of Books" concept ... at ... ALL!!!
Annie shouldn't complain. His franchise's books (excluding comics and those aimed at children) all seem to fall in perfectly with the canon and they aren't even called non-canon. They are called "Expanded Universe", not that I'm complaining. The Exp. Uni. gave us Grand Admiral Thrawn.

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Report this Mar. 09 2012, 3:32 pm

The books of the TOS movies, because they give you the whole story, telling you things that couldn't be included in the movies because of time constraints.

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Report this Mar. 11 2012, 6:53 am

The Star Wars novels are not canon. They are merely referred to as part of the "expanded universe," which also includes video games such as Knights of the Old Republic.


The only non-films that are considered canon by Lucas are the following:


- Clone Wars series


- Republic Commando video game


- The Force Unleashed video games


That's it.


(And yes, it should be noted Lucas, himself, had a hand in the development of each of these projects.)


 


And as for the Trek relaunch books being canon? Oh, Lord, no.


I must be the only one on these boards who believe them to be total and utter crap - fanfic at its finest. Ugh.


Words simply cannot express how much I prefer the old Pocket line to these new "efforts"...


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Report this Mar. 11 2012, 7:14 am

Quote: 2takesfrakes @ Dec. 24 2011, 8:56 am

>Annie and I aren't liking this "Canonization of Books" concept ... at ... ALL!!!


Annie has his own problems with his "official" stuff.


Are you sure it isn't time for a colorful metaphor?

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Report this Mar. 12 2012, 6:58 am

Quote: OneDamnMinuteAdmiral @ Mar. 11 2012, 7:14 am

Quote: 2takesfrakes @ Dec. 24 2011, 8:56 am

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>Annie and I aren't liking this "Canonization of Books" concept ... at ... ALL!!!

Annie has his own problems with his "official" stuff.

Star Wars works differently, no?


All those book and games are simply called "Expanded Universe" no? I don't follow the books at much so I don't know how much they do or do not contradict each other, though I haven't heard much debate about this.


Would "Clone Wars" (the tv show) be canon or Expanded Universe?


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Report this Mar. 12 2012, 9:40 am

(This has shades of KRE-O all over it...)


Guillermo, look at my most recent post. It's just ONE post above your post.


You'll find your answer.


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Report this Mar. 14 2012, 9:05 am

Ha. That's great.


Nice to know I'm not alone!



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