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Canonization of Books

Sivar

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Report this Nov. 28 2011, 4:01 pm





Quote: Matthias Russell @ Nov. 20 2011, 12:17 pm






>All the books of the relaunch should be canonized. They maintain continuity better than the previous books and even the series did. I'd say the quality of books in the last few years on the whole are the best stories the franchise ever put out.




 


Agreed.


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guillermo.mejía

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Report this Nov. 28 2011, 6:56 pm

Quote: Sivar @ Nov. 28 2011, 4:01 pm

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>Quote: Matthias Russell @ Nov. 20 2011, 12:17 pm

>>All the books of the relaunch should be canonized. They maintain continuity better than the previous books and even the series did. I'd say the quality of books in the last few years on the whole are the best stories the franchise ever put out.

>Agreed.

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Agreed as well, with the last Romulan War novel as the exception.

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Report this Nov. 29 2011, 4:38 am

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ Nov. 28 2011, 6:56 pm

>Agreed as well, with the last Romulan War novel as the exception.
Just out of curiosity, why not the last book?

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Report this Nov. 29 2011, 7:02 am

Quote: Middleman @ Nov. 29 2011, 4:38 am

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ Nov. 28 2011, 6:56 pm

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>Agreed as well, with the last Romulan War novel as the exception.

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just out of curiosity, why not the last book?

From what I heard from another user on this thread, the series was suppose to be three books, not two. Though I have not corralated this comment, I have no reason to doubt it, and it certaintly exaplins the....weak feel of the book.


Without too many spoilers or details:


1) The cover gives you expecttions that are never met in the book.


2) Most chapters are divided by large, monthlong time skips, and in some ocations, up to a year, making most chapters feel like inter-related short stories rather than one continuos narrative.


3) The climax of Trip's story is rather disappointing, not even being in the story. We get a hopeless scenario with a sudden glimpse of hope...yada yada...something happens elsewhere...yada yada....epilogue.


4) It never 'feels' like the fabled Romualn War we all expected. We only get Archer's point of view, fighting  a skirmish or two every few months that isn't even detailed in the story.


Special mention goes out to the fact that it was even more disappointing, because I found the first book so good.


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Report this Nov. 29 2011, 7:10 am

Your points arre well taken. While I enjoyed the book there were too many holes and I agree with you on the Trip aspect. My guess is that Pocket books forced Martin to condense the 2 volume story into one and this may have lead to the holes.


It is clear that Pocket books and Simon & Shuster are having the same troubles that the rest of the publishing industry is having dealing with the change to electronic media and are cutting back on their publications, especially the Star Trek books, which are a niche market. There are a lot of rumors on the internet that say the "To Brave The Storm" is that last Enterprise book we may see for a very long time, if at all. This is one of the reasons why I would like to see this book become part of the canon, particularly the ending.

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Report this Nov. 29 2011, 8:11 am

Quote: Middleman @ Nov. 29 2011, 7:10 am

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>Your points arre well taken. While I enjoyed the book there were too many holes and I agree with you on the Trip aspect. My guess is that Pocket books forced Martin to condense the 2 volume story into one and this may have lead to the holes.

>It is clear that Pocket books and Simon & Shuster are having the same troubles that the rest of the publishing industry is having dealing with the change to electronic media and are cutting back on their publications, especially the Star Trek books, which are a niche market. There are a lot of rumors on the internet that say the "To Brave The Storm" is that last Enterprise book we may see for a very long time, if at all. This is one of the reasons why I would like to see this book become part of the canon, particularly the ending.

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I would have no objections to it, save for the old, books can't be canon argument. My thoughts are that if the book doesn't disagree with screen canon, then I personally think it happened that way. The best Example being the Vaguard series. It meshes so well with TOS that it would even make a great TV show...prbably even ruin the stories, since they are already so good.


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Matthias Russell

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Report this Nov. 29 2011, 9:27 am

You are probably thinking of me as the one who dissed the new Rom War book.  it was terrible, as are all of Michael Martin's solo activities to me.  However, it still is a must read for wrapping up the story.


 


If you want to talk books, I recommend the trekbbs.com trek lit board.  You will get a more active discussion on books than here.  Most st.com users don't read the books.


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Report this Nov. 29 2011, 9:28 am

I will second that the Vanguad series is top notch.  I cannot recommend it enough.  However, you do need to read the whole series from start to finish.  If you don't care to, I have published extensive summaries at memory-beta.

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Report this Nov. 30 2011, 11:07 am

TREK novels are just glorified fan-fiction with a price-tag to make it legit.
I don't want to see ANY of it "canonized," except for the novelization of
STAR TREK: The Motion Picture and that's all ...


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Report this Nov. 30 2011, 12:03 pm

Quote: 2takesfrakes @ Nov. 30 2011, 11:07 am

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>TREK novels are just glorified fan-fiction with a price-tag to make it legit.
I don't want to see ANY of it "canonized," except for the novelization of
STAR TREK: The Motion Picture and that's all ...

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Mutual love for Sarah Silverman aside, how can you say that about Vanguard?????????? It's David Mack's gift to Trek fans. It is TOS in a new light done right, not the JJ way.


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And yes MR, it was you, I just don't want to drop any names without consent.


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Matthias Russell

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Report this Nov. 30 2011, 2:45 pm

I'm not sure if Mack's greater gift is Vanguard or Destiny.

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Report this Nov. 30 2011, 3:34 pm

Books can not be canon but ideas from the books can be adapted into the screenplays and become canon.


Uhura's name is an example.


 


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Matthias Russell

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Report this Nov. 30 2011, 4:59 pm

Why CAN'T books be canon?  Other franchises do it.  And since the franchise has no desire to continue on with the prime universe, they might as well declare the relaunch books canon.  It would be a way to encourage readership and make more money in book sales.


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Report this Dec. 01 2011, 12:26 pm

Quote: 2takesfrakes @ Nov. 30 2011, 11:07 am

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>TREK novels are just glorified fan-fiction with a price-tag to make it legit.
I don't want to see ANY of it "canonized," except for the novelization of
STAR TREK: The Motion Picture and that's all ...

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I agree, but you are sure to catch heck from loyal readers. To be fair, I enjoy the occasional official and unofficial ST stories.


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Report this Dec. 01 2011, 4:04 pm

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Nov. 29 2011, 9:27 am

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>If you want to talk books, I recommend the trekbbs.com trek lit board.  You will get a more active discussion on books than here.  Most st.com users don't read the books.

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I don't tend to read them as much as I used to either since Destiny came out.


I'm probably going to cop a bit of flack for this but does it really -- I mean Really -- matter if they are or are not canon?


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