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Canonization of Books

OneDamnMinuteAdmiral

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Report this Oct. 11 2011, 1:36 am

From TOS: The Kobayash Maru, Section 31 Cloak, Vanguard Series(I haven't finished these but so far I enjoy them), New Earth, the Captain's Daughter, Serpents Among the Ruins, Doctor's Orders, & Gemini 


From TNG: Q-Squared, Ship of the Line, New Frontier(Most of them anyway) & the Art of the Impossible


From DS9: Lives of Dax


From Voyager: Echoes, Pathways, Homecoming, the Farther Shore & Section 31 Shadow


From Enterprise: I haven't read any of the Enterprise novels but I still choose The Good That Men Do because of bringing back Trip, and that's reason enough.


Those are all I can think of now that I really liked but I would love to hear all of your choices.


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Report this Oct. 11 2011, 5:31 am

None.


Not one.


Oh God, none!


Books are good for exploring possibilities or weaving a little story of an underused character or two, but they shouldn't be allowed anywhere near Trek canon.  The Voyager relaunch is a perfect example as to why; They're based on a ridiculous concept, they take the characters in all sorts of directions they never should have gone in, and they are basically a small group of people's idea of what they wish Voyager was like, not what it actually was.  They'd be a terrible addititon to the franchise...  But, they're not that badly written and can be entertaining, so they're worth an afternoon to sit through and advance the possibilities of what could happen in your mind.


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OneDamnMinuteAdmiral

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Report this Oct. 11 2011, 1:54 pm

So in all the vast number of books you read not one had anything that added to the story in anyway for you? Some of the writers are good at fleshing out the characters some but others are really good at making bad descisions. I can't agree with you too much on the Voyager or any of the relaunch series just because I haven't really read them.


Homecoming & Farther Shore I liked because we got to see what they did when they got home which the show should have done, but the subplot of that Starfleet lady wanting to be a Borg queen was pretty odd. I stopped reading the others after a Cube ate Pluto.


But there are lots of good books that don't screw up that badly. For example the Kobayashi Maru book is about Kirk, Scotty, Chekov, & Sulu and how they handled the test. They are basically short stories in a frame work of them being trapped in a shuttle and they are quite good.


So in the interest of keeping on topic and not being negative is there at least something you liked?


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Report this Oct. 14 2011, 9:29 pm

I'd have to say Death in Winter, because I always wanted Picard and Crusher together right from the get-go. I'm saying this, but I havn't even read it. Ah, i'll buy it soon enough!


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Report this Oct. 16 2011, 4:37 am

Dynasty series!  Imagine if they had a made that a movie! 


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Report this Oct. 19 2011, 11:54 am

Quote: OneDamnMinuteAdmiral @ Oct. 11 2011, 1:54 pm

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>I stopped reading the others after a Cube ate Pluto.

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OneDamnMinuteAdmiral, you stopped reading at just the wrong point.  Granted that that was a low-point in Star Trek lit.  But the thing about low-points is that it doesn't get worse.  Star Trek lit took a great turn for the better.  You should get back into it.  At least with Destiny.  But the stuff since then has been great, for the most part.  Certainly nothing as low as Pluto's destruction in eye-rolling ability.

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Report this Oct. 19 2011, 2:53 pm

Quote: Data Logan @ Oct. 19 2011, 11:54 am

Quote: OneDamnMinuteAdmiral @ Oct. 11 2011, 1:54 pm

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>I stopped reading the others after a Cube ate Pluto.

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OneDamnMinuteAdmiral, you stopped reading at just the wrong point.  Granted that that was a low-point in Star Trek lit.  But the thing about low-points is that it doesn't get worse.  Star Trek lit took a great turn for the better.  You should get back into it.  At least with Destiny.  But the stuff since then has been great, for the most part.  Certainly nothing as low as Pluto's destruction in eye-rolling ability.


Well thanks for sharing that. Yeah when I read that book and that happened and a couple other things it got to be so ridiculous. It seemed Trek books were trying to turn into bad Star Wars ones, and the same happened with Star Wars too that they just got too ridiculous. Everything having to be long story arcs and galaxy wide chaos just got old for me.


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Report this Nov. 19 2011, 8:28 pm

To me "Canon" means not much more than stuff that you should try -- where possible -- not to contradict. It doesn't have the quasi-religious status that some have ascribed to it. That's where the series/book distinction comes in: The books have such a vast and rapidly expanding mythos that it is nigh impossible not to be contradictory on occasion.


That said, it's all fiction, not history. Whatever I'm reading at the time, regardless of what I think of it, is as "real" as anything else. And in my notion of the Trek world -- which of course is not going to be the same as another fan's -- anything that has not yet been contradicted, "happened".


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Report this Nov. 20 2011, 12:17 pm

All the books of the relaunch should be canonized. They maintain continuity better than the previous books and even the series did. I'd say the quality of books in the last few years on the whole are the best stories the franchise ever put out.

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Report this Nov. 20 2011, 6:17 pm

^ Why? Fit the longest time Star Wars maintained continuity in all their mediums and it was great. Continuity and canonization would encourage sales because then more fans would think the books are worth their time.

Trek lit has some high quality authors and some of the books like Department of Temporal Investigations and The Good That Men Do make sense of stupid things the canon material did. The books deserve their place among canon just as much as Enterprise, Voyager, or Star Trek V do. Heck, if you can accept STV, you should have no problem with the books.

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Report this Nov. 20 2011, 10:26 pm

^ You clearly haven't read any of the franchise novels and are thinking of fan fiction. The franchise material in book stores are mostly NOT romance novels. The only "romance novel" I can think of is Death In Winter. The novels from the past few years have united the series; but if you read any of them, you'd know that.

OtakuJo

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Report this Nov. 20 2011, 10:37 pm

Imzadi is also a romance novel methinks.


But you are right in that there are not that many romance novels in official Trek publications.


I don't even think that all fanfic is romance, either -- although I tend often to steer clear of those which are labelled as such. (Romance = nothing wrong with it, just not my fave genre)


But hell, making fanfic canon = Yeah good luck with that! lol.


But in any case, like I said -- if I'm reading something, whatever it be, for that moment it is canon to me. Hey that rhymes.


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Matthias Russell

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Report this Nov. 21 2011, 1:52 pm

Well, turns out the poster was another Scooby account and he was just baiting anyways and now he is deleted again.

Good point about Imzadi. How did I forget about that one? It's one if the highest regarded in trek lit. Ashes of Eden was mostly a romance story too.

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Report this Nov. 24 2011, 4:24 pm

Enterprise: The Romulan War books; Vanguard series, including the novellas, The Lost Era series (Art of the Impossible, Serpents In The Ruins, The Sundered, etc.) Martin: Forged In Fire, The Section 31 novels, Voyager novels (definitely all of Beyer's contributions), books with plot lines referenced in the Destiny series, novels immediately following the Destiny series' plot lines, The Typhon Pact series, Titan series.


I may come across as not very discerning, but my choices are based more on filling in the holes of "established" canon.


 


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Report this Nov. 28 2011, 11:01 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Nov. 20 2011, 12:17 pm

>All the books of the relaunch should be canonized. They maintain continuity better than the previous books and even the series did. I'd say the quality of books in the last few years on the whole are the best stories the franchise ever put out.


I agree

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