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Are kirk and Spock gay?

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zarelda

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Report this Dec. 20 2011, 12:22 am

Only an idiot would confuse brotherly love for the gay kind.


 


It's pretty bad when you can't hug your sister in public without some idiot calling you lesbians, give me a fn break.


 


Another thing is this:  why the heck are we even discussing it?  It has no place here at all.


 


Don't be in such a hurry to judge people.

Beershark

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Report this Dec. 20 2011, 4:27 pm

I've said it before and I'll say it again, it makes an interesting"what if" situation. But to discuss it like it was canon or what was intended by GR is silly. There is nothing in the original series that even hints to it.

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Report this Dec. 25 2011, 12:51 am

Interviewer: “There’s a great deal of writing in the Star Trek movement which compares the relationship between Alexander The Great and Hephaestion to the relationship between Kirk and Spock focusing on the closeness of the friendship, the feeling that they would die for one another.”

Gene Roddenberry: “Yes there’s certainly some of that, certainly with love overtones. Deep love. The only difference being from the Greek ideal, we never suggested physical love between the two in the series. We certainly had the feeling that the affection was sufficient for that, if that were the particular style of the 23rd century.”


 


and some background info, Alexander The Great and Hephaestion were lovers. Not in a slashy 'maybe they were, maybe they weren't' way, but legit historical gays. I dunno whether Gene had a brainfart and told the world that Kirk and Spock were romantically entangled when he really meant to say 'brotherly love', but he did say it, if that has any weight. Also, this was in a biography of William Shatner published shortly before TMP, so I dunno if it reflects any of the movies.


But as for the question of whether Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock are legitimate, 100% homosexual the answer is definently no. Kirk and Spock both show real interest in women, even though they occationally show interest in eachother as well. I like the ambiguity though. Because there's an awful thin line between being the best, truest friends and being in love with someone, a line that this series walks quite well. I just felt I should include this quote, because everyone's kind of shooting the slash down because of rabid fangirls, when their relationship is actually a really interesting part of the series.

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Report this Dec. 27 2011, 7:28 am

While some see a homo-erotic subtext in the relationship between these two comrades who showed an extraordinary devotion to each other, I'm weighing in on the "no" side.


I believe GR himself stated, in the ST:TMP novelization, maybe?, that he would expect Kirk to pick a romantic interest that mated more than once every seven years.

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Report this Dec. 27 2011, 10:49 am

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>Interviewer: “There’s a great deal of writing in the Star Trek movement which compares the relationship between Alexander The Great and Hephaestion to the relationship between Kirk and Spock focusing on the closeness of the friendship, the feeling that they would die for one another.”

Gene Roddenberry: “Yes there’s certainly some of that, certainly with love overtones. Deep love. The only difference being from the Greek ideal, we never suggested physical love between the two in the series. We certainly had the feeling that the affection was sufficient for that, if that were the particular style of the 23rd century.”

>and some background info, Alexander The Great and Hephaestion were lovers. Not in a slashy 'maybe they were, maybe they weren't' way, but legit historical gays. I dunno whether Gene had a brainfart and told the world that Kirk and Spock were romantically entangled when he really meant to say 'brotherly love', but he did say it, if that has any weight. Also, this was in a biography of William Shatner published shortly before TMP, so I dunno if it reflects any of the movies.

>But as for the question of whether Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock are legitimate, 100% homosexual the answer is definently no. Kirk and Spock both show real interest in women, even though they occationally show interest in eachother as well. I like the ambiguity though. Because there's an awful thin line between being the best, truest friends and being in love with someone, a line that this series walks quite well. I just felt I should include this quote, because everyone's kind of shooting the slash down because of rabid fangirls, when their relationship is actually a really interesting part of the series.

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Throw in the definition of thyla from the novelisation of TMP (friend/brother/lover) and it does muddy the waters a bit. I personally thing GR liked to dance around the issue because it kept the slashers and the conventionals talking about the product.


 


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Treknoir

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Report this Dec. 27 2011, 10:53 am

Quote: FriendlyTrekker @ Dec. 27 2011, 7:28 am

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>While some see a homo-erotic subtext in the relationship between these two comrades who showed an extraordinary devotion to each other, I'm weighing in on the "no" side.

>I believe GR himself stated, in the ST:TMP novelization, maybe?, that he would expect Kirk to pick a romantic interest that mated more than once every seven years.

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Vulcans didn't only mate every 7 years. There was a biological need every 7 years. They were otherwise "normal" in sexual activity like most humanoids (whenever they wanted).


It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want. - Spock

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Report this Dec. 27 2011, 8:55 pm

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Okay, regardless on what anyone feels on the Kirk/Spock dynamic, that's funny!


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cowgirlcadet

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Report this Jan. 06 2012, 12:28 pm

And why does anybody even think that anyway? So not. They are best friends, actually more like brothers. Kirk says this flat out in "Whom Gods Destroy" when they are at the dinner that Garth has "invited" them to. And Spock agrees.

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Report this Jan. 06 2012, 3:45 pm

what a stupid comment.  because 2 men hang out a lot and are best friends people think they are gay.  Dumb.


 


Not to mention highly illogical from Spocks point of view.


 


Ive got another similar stupid comment, Uhura is black, so shouldnt she is be picking cotton in the hydroponics bay?


 

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Report this Jan. 06 2012, 3:48 pm

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>The only reason folks get their panties twisted over the matter is that some perceive such a relationship between the two to be wrong on a moral/religious level. It would tickle me if some sort of lost diary of GR's were found where he admits they were lovers but he couldn't explicitly portray it because of the times. I wonder if some diehard fans would lose their minds!

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LOL

I wonder how many fans they'd lose after a revelation like that?


The only time they could be lovers is when Spock is going through the Ponfar.

spockbonesmccoy

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Report this Jan. 10 2012, 7:23 am

FOR GOD AND HEAVEN NO!!!!! SPOCK AND KIRK ARE NOT GAY what is wrong with u people asking questions like that

denise.dion2

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Report this Jan. 15 2012, 2:13 pm

Kirk, is bi-sexual...and Spock he is gay. He really isn't interested in the ladies. There was always some force beyond his control making him do it...


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Report this Jan. 15 2012, 7:03 pm

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Kirk, is bi-sexual...and Spock he is gay. He really isn't interested in the ladies. There was always some force beyond his control making him do it...


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Where is your documentation? Spock is gay? Quintino's Spock is in a sexual relationship with Uhura.  We see Kirk with numerous ladies but never acts physical with another man.  Even in ST09, which was made in a much more liberal time, we never saw Spock or Kirk showing any type of gay tendencies.  If you want to have some crazy fantasies, fine.  But if you are going to say they ARE a certain way, back it up.


You may want to fantasize the sun is made of purple unicorns, but wanting it doesn't make it true.


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Report this Jan. 16 2012, 2:11 am



Hello, I don't want to make anyone upset, by what I said..It is only my interpretation.  I am not here to convert people into thinking this. Of course we see Jim with all the pretty ladies. And Spock has had a few himself. But, Spock for example, does have little interest for them. The only reason he could love Leila, was because of the spores. It permitted him to, but when the effects were removed, he was back to who he was. 


Zarabeth, was something that stirred something in him, because of the ancient ways of his people. Would he have been interested, if those drives had not affected him, no...Spock would have concentrated on leaving Sarpeidon as soon as possible, in order to save his Captain.  


Droxine, I have no answer for you, temporary insanity. Spock openly talking about pon farr....I really can't believe that scene....made no sense for him say such things, and for her to know about it either...


Now, Jim....he loves girls..he does..I admit that. But, if anyone has seen the episode Tomorrow is Yesterday, the scene where John Christopher beams down onto the transporter pad, makes you wonder. The captain, just has a tendency to look at people in a way, men included, that begs the question...what are you thinking about....at that moment....


Just pointing out things that I have noticed...


 


I don't want to start a fight...really I don't...this is just my observation..but what the majority sees is Jim in love with the girls...and Spock...well, Spock is Spock. And that is fine...


but...I do leave you a vid...of what I mentioned earlier...Kirk and John Christopher...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nps1U_5fXYU


Have a nice day. 




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Report this Jan. 16 2012, 5:14 am

James T Kirk is jovial


Mr. Spock is somber


Neither is gay


 


 


www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcdZla4gKk0

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