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FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Mar. 25 2012, 5:23 pm

Quote: quantumstring12 @ Mar. 25 2012, 4:10 pm

>Now, if America was TRULY still a democracy, this 'bailout' should have been voted on by the people. A referendum. But no....they played it off as this was the only solution to save our economy and we took it up the ass....again.
But the USA was never supposed to be a "democracy".... our Founding Fathers hated them and warned us repeatedly against them.


We're supposed to be represented by those that uphold the US Constitution.  When those idiots did the bailouts & stimulus, they ignored the US Constitution (foremost) and who they're supposed to be representing.


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Report this Mar. 25 2012, 5:34 pm

Quote: quantumstring12 @ Mar. 25 2012, 4:10 pm

>Enter the Supreme Courts' decision Citizens United which gives the richest in the country, and elsewhere, more political power since they have the most wealth. Is that Democracy?? Really?? I don't see it. I see it as a PLUTOCRATC OLIGARCHY. Well on it's way to a hard right wing facist military state.
I always laugh at this one.... It's okay for unions to spend buying elections, but not companies....  It's either okay for any organization to do it, or it's not.


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Report this Mar. 25 2012, 6:00 pm

Quote: quantumstring12 @ Mar. 25 2012, 4:10 pm

>Enter Bush and the tax breaks for the wealthy.
Why is it that lie?  The tax cuts were for EVERYONE!  (And that "refund" some people got .... it didn't go to the "rich.")


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Report this Mar. 25 2012, 6:20 pm

You can't take ME seriously?? So....no counter arguments on any of the points I made about how our Republic has been subverted by those whose only prophet is profit?? So, you still believe JFK was killed by....communists? At the height of the cold war....communists? And you buy that?? Surely that wasn't the story fed to the media by those who control it.....and apparently....you.


 


You're a fool and a waste of my time. Have fun being a misled sheep.


Target that explosion and FIRE!

quantumstring12

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Report this Mar. 25 2012, 7:06 pm

1. A democracy cannot function effectively when its constituent members believe laws are being bought and sold. - Justice Stevens


 


This applies to both unions and corporations. When did I say I was pro-union?? Or even anti-union?? But who has the most money? Who has the most influence now with the Citizens United ruling?? More money=more free speech.


 


2. Yes, the Bush tax cuts were for everyone...theoretically. But what these tax cuts really are is reverse wealth distribution that shifts the burden of taxation away from upper income, capital owning households and toward the wage earning households of the lower and middle classes. The Bush administration claimed that these tax cuts effectively paid for themselves, but I'd say that they were dead wrong the way things have gone economically in the last ten years...wouln't you agree.


 


Yes...America was never intended to be a democracy. It is, was, a Republic. It appears we couldn't keep it.


 


 

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Report this Mar. 25 2012, 7:25 pm

Quote: quantumstring12 @ Mar. 25 2012, 7:06 pm

>2. Yes, the Bush tax cuts were for everyone...theoretically. But what these tax cuts really are is reverse wealth distribution that shifts the burden of taxation away from upper income, capital owning households and toward the wage earning households of the lower and middle classes. The Bush administration claimed that these tax cuts effectively paid for themselves, but I'd say that they were dead wrong the way things have gone economically in the last ten years...wouln't you agree.
Guess you haven't looked at the tax schedules.... the top 1% pay more in income taxes than the bottom 95% combined.  And almost half of the citizens don't pay income taxes at all, many of them get "refunds."  That's redistribution of wealth.


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Report this Mar. 25 2012, 7:26 pm

Quote: quantumstring12 @ Mar. 25 2012, 7:06 pm

>Yes...America was never intended to be a democracy. It is, was, a Republic. It appears we couldn't keep it.
And why is that?  (I can think of two major reasons.)


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Report this Mar. 25 2012, 8:44 pm

A democracy is unsustainable. We've had 236 years and that's way past the average age of any democracy which is 200 years. It's corruptible at the highest level and puts those who fought to be free back into slavery.


 


Your claim that 'almost half of the citizens don't pay income taxes' is, at best, a talking point and a misrepresentation of the truth. That 'almost half' or 47%(according to the Center of Budget and Policy Priorities) is not all Americans pay no taxes, but single filers who pay no FEDERAL income taxes. The combination of the recession and the Obama stimulus cut taxes(a President cutting taxes????) to low and middle income Americans led to fewer Americans owing the federal income tax. That tax break has now expired.


 

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Report this Mar. 25 2012, 8:48 pm

And besides, if the top 1% owns 90% of the wealth in this country, they should pay more. But don't think that loopholes in legislation aren't there to subvert these tax percentages.


 


Too big to fail is the cry of the Plutocrats. They socialized their losses and privatize their profits. Any true capitalistic society would have let them fail. And we should have.

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Report this Mar. 25 2012, 8:58 pm

Quote: quantumstring12 @ Mar. 25 2012, 8:44 pm

>A democracy is unsustainable.
Of course it is - that's why our Founding Father's didn't create one.  Just take a look at the US Constitution - they specifically cited "republic" in the writing.


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Report this Mar. 25 2012, 9:01 pm

Quote: quantumstring12 @ Mar. 25 2012, 8:48 pm

>And besides, if the top 1% owns 90% of the wealth in this country, they should pay more. But don't think that loopholes in legislation aren't there to subvert these tax percentages.
They pay more in taxes percentage wise than they own - by many times.


Why should the government discriminate?  Should a tall person be taxed more than a short?  Or a "white" more than a "black"?  Of course not.  Every dollar should be taxed equally.


But yes, all the loopholes should be removed. Stop saying that they should be removed from other people, but keep them for yourself.


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Report this Mar. 25 2012, 9:03 pm

Quote: quantumstring12 @ Mar. 25 2012, 8:48 pm

>Too big to fail is the cry of the Plutocrats. They socialized their losses and privatize their profits. Any true capitalistic society would have let them fail. And we should have.
It's the cry of the ProRegressives and the cronies....  ProRegressives have pretty much abolished responsibility --- the government is there to pay for everything.... subsidies and entitlements - both the same cancer.


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Report this Mar. 26 2012, 6:08 am

It would appear that the only argument the sycophants of the rich can bring forth is the amount of income taxes paid by the rich. Never mind that the working class pay into a regressive payroll tax tax system that finances social security and medicare - both programs running in the black. Never mind that the military industrial complex is paid for in large part by borrowing. Never mind that the rich - who in large part own the capital resources of this country - pay a far lower capital gains tax rate.


Closer to the mark is the complaint many libertarians have about government subsidies. There, at lest, is some recognition that the rich often get unfair subsidies for things that are supposed to be of benefit to the general population, but usually benefit only those receiving the subsidies.


There are so many conspiracy theories out there about how JFK was killed that I don't think it wise to base any deep analysis on any one particular theory. I am also not so hostile to the idea of an income tax to finance activities that genuinely do benefit the public good.  However, remove those two aspects from quantumstring's analysis and you still have a solid string of events pointing to a very disturbing trend in our society, a trend that really needs to be reversed. So, with the exceptions noted, I applaud his review of the historical circumstances that result in the situation we face today. 

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Report this Apr. 24 2012, 5:28 pm

I've been seeing a lot of things from OWS lately about using "May Day" (1 May) as their new resurgence date.  I'm seeing a lot of stuff from OWS sites calling for strikes (and some for violence) starting that day.  Even saw a drawing today from one of the OWS websites showing a decapitated cop with blood spraying everywhere....


Sidenote:  For those that like history, you might be interested to research the links between May Day & communism.


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Report this Apr. 25 2012, 7:58 am

Ah yes... more stuff from OWS ... at the "Occupy the Justice Department" rally yesterday, multiple speakers preached explicit violence.  Even rapper "Jay Sun" attended and told the attendees to kill people if he ever got arrested.


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