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Report this Oct. 06 2011, 8:11 am

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>Capitalism is about freedom.  Freedom to create and produce and earn based on the value of our contributions.

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Except Léo Apotheker is taking home $28 million in severance packages for running HP into the ground and costing investors millions of dollars of their own money.  He also got a large severance package after being fired from the previous company he ran into the ground.
And?  If it was part of his severence package, which is a contract, then blame the people that wrote the contract.

Hence the protests on Wall Street.

If they're stockholders, then go to a stockholder meeting and handle it for each and every company that stockholders have an issue about it.


But if these people are not even stockholders, how is a CxO's compensation package any of their business?


 


Now if we think about this logically, if the BoD only gives a nominal compensation package, why should the top talent take on the stress and work of a CxO?  And compensation packages for CxOs don't account for 0.0001% of the costs of a company, so do you think that it'll change the stock price?  After all, the ONLY reason to own stock in a company is to make money.


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Report this Oct. 06 2011, 8:20 am

OCCUPY WALL STREET: A MANIFESTO
Posted on October 4, 2011
by David Harsanyi 


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men, women and transgendered — and any other human who is able to elude the tyranny of work for a couple of weeks — are created equal. We gather to be free not of oppression, but of responsibility and college tuition. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that a government long established and a nation long prosperous be changed for light and transient causes. So let our demands* be submitted to a candid world.
Fight the power and read a book.
First, we are imbued with as many inalienable rights as a few thousand college kids and a gaggle of borderline celebrities can concoct, among them a guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment and immediate across-the-board debt forgiveness — even if that debt was acquired taking on a mortgage with a 4.1 percent interest rate and no money down, which, we admit, is a pretty sweet deal in historical context …
…but down with the modern gilded age!
We demand that a Master of Fine Arts in musical theater writing, with a minor in German, become a basic human right, because education is crucial and rich people can afford to fund unemployment checks until we find jobs or in perpetuity, whichever comes first.
We demand a minimum wage of $10, no … make it $20. We earned it. And we demand the end of “profiteering,” because there is no better way to end joblessness than stopping the growth of capital. We also demand a maximum wage law, because selfish American dreams need a ceiling.
We demand the institution of direct democracy, because if a bunch of people say it’s OK, it’s OK. And everyone deserves to have his or her voice heard. Except Mr. Moneybags, who we demand stop contributing his own money to candidates we disagree with, to issue groups we loathe and to lobbyists who do not work for organizations featuring “Service,“ ”Employees,“ ”International” and/or “Union” in their title.
We demand the end to bailouts and corporate subsidies, unless we’re talking about companies that feature sunflowers or sun rays in their logos, because that’s the kind of morally gratifying institution we approve of, and thus, they should totally be fast-tracked and bailed out with your money to bring the fossil fuel economy (“the economy") to an end.
We demand the end to a corrupt Wall Street (“Apple” “your 401(k)") because banks hold too much power. We demand that government consolidate authority so that elected officials can make prudent choices for us. All that cash in banks was printed by the war god Mars and has nothing to do with the voluntary deposits by ordinary Americans, so we do not consider this theft.
We demand the end to corporate censorship, because if we can’t force private news organizations to run the types of stories with which we agree, there can’t be a healthy democracy. So actually, we demand the end of all corporate news organizations in the name of free speech.
We demand the end to health profiteering, because everyone knows that all the wondrous and lifesaving advances in modern medicine were invented in the People’s Democratic Republic of Laos. Smart people work for the good of humanity, not because they’re greedy.
We demand these rights because of the mass injustice of being able to freely protest against racism and corporatism without any real fear of imprisonment in the most diverse city on earth. And to the wiseguy who walked by the other day and claimed that I‘d be writing this manifesto with a quill pen on parchment paper if it weren’t for capitalism, we have two words for you: Koch brothers. Think about it.
This is the fifth communique from the 99.9 percent. We are occupying Wall Street, and we’re not going home until it gets really cold.

*These grievances are not all-inclusive.


 


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Report this Oct. 06 2011, 9:54 am

Sadly, I'm starting to see more and more videos come out showing that tensions are rising with the protestors and even some (thankfully limited) violence.  I'm hoping that this doesn't turn into the riots of the 1960's.


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Report this Oct. 06 2011, 2:50 pm

Good luck to these protestors.


The bankers are self-interested and wantonly irresponsible and should be put on trial for economic treason on both sides of the Atlantic.


In Cockney Rhyming Slang they really are a bunch of bankers ...

wissa

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Report this Oct. 06 2011, 7:33 pm

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>The bankers are self-interested and wantonly irresponsible and should be put on trial for economic treason on both sides of the Atlantic.

>In Cockney Rhyming Slang they really are a bunch of bankers ...

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Stallin had the right idea for dealing with likes of these greedy ultrarich dirtbags - he either lined them up against a brick wall and shot them or he sent to the gollags , as well as natonalising their companies and industries and taking their illbegotten wealth and assets off them and thir families.

The members of parliament , congressmen, senators and governors who are protecting these dirtbags need to be sent a very strong and clear message in the next election by throwing them out and many of them need to prosecuted for being corrupt and in the pockets of these economic criminals.

 


yeah!  why can't more of our current leaders be more like one of the worst mass murderers of the 20th century


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Report this Oct. 06 2011, 7:55 pm

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>I support these protests 100% , if it was physically possible for me to join in with them I would in an instant.  These protesters don't have a clue why they are there ask ten you will get ten different answers.  I don't support a mass protest for the sake of protesting that does no good and waste a lot of time.

>I also think this a growing groundswell which may well become a tsusami of discontent and disgust and unhappiness. More americans need to get off their lazy apathetic arses and join these protests and they need to take a very loud and noisey message to congress, the senate, the halls of government power (state and federal and municipal) and make it known that wall street, the banks, the finance industry big business needs to become good corporate citisens who benefit the communities they are privileged to be allowed to set in AND THEY MUST START EMPLOYING MORE AMERICANS and REBUILDING skilled industries and manufacturing in the USA instead of chasing the lowest cost workforces in 3rd world countries.  Umm yeah the tea party already did that.

>More americans should also hit these businesses where it hurts them the most - their profit - by going on a BUYER"S STRIKE and refusing to buy their products or services or do business with businesses who are poor corporate citisens and who have been laying off workers.  Oh so don't buy from companies that are laying off workers resulting in the company making less money resulting in MORE WORKERS BEING LAID OFF.  Your idea not only lack merit it lacks common sense.

>Selling your shares in these companies emass ( and driving down their share prices will also send a very powerful signal to boards of these companies as well.  Not really it just leaves more shares for the board to buy.

>GREED IS NOT GOOD - GREED FOR THE SAKE OF GREED IS CORROSIVE and the economic woes in the USA and in europe are a direct result of unbiddled greed on the part of the richest people in the USA and in europe.  What exactly is greed?

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Report this Oct. 06 2011, 7:56 pm

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>Good luck to these protestors.

>The bankers are self-interested and wantonly irresponsible and should be put on trial for economic treason on both sides of the Atlantic.

>In Cockney Rhyming Slang they really are a bunch of bankers ...

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Stallin had the right idea for dealing with likes of these greedy ultrarich dirtbags - he either lined them up against a brick wall and shot them or he sent to the gollags , as well as natonalising their companies and industries and taking their illbegotten wealth and assets off them and thir families.

The members of parliament , congressmen, senators and governors who are protecting these dirtbags need to be sent a very strong and clear message in the next election by throwing them out and many of them need to prosecuted for being corrupt and in the pockets of these economic criminals.

 

  So you want people who make what you feel is too much money to be killed have all their assest stolen and divided up by the murders?  Dude you are an idiot.


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Report this Oct. 06 2011, 7:59 pm

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>Good luck to these protestors.

>The bankers are self-interested and wantonly irresponsible and should be put on trial for economic treason on both sides of the Atlantic.

>In Cockney Rhyming Slang they really are a bunch of bankers ...

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Stallin had the right idea for dealing with likes of these greedy ultrarich dirtbags - he either lined them up against a brick wall and shot them or he sent to the gollags , as well as natonalising their companies and industries and taking their illbegotten wealth and assets off them and thir families.

The members of parliament , congressmen, senators and governors who are protecting these dirtbags need to be sent a very strong and clear message in the next election by throwing them out and many of them need to prosecuted for being corrupt and in the pockets of these economic criminals.

 

yeah!  why can't more of our current leaders be more like one of the worst mass murderers of the 20th century

Arrogance and extreme greed by the wealthy and ruling classes in the old Russia (before the Russian Revolution) and extreme disparities in wealth distribution then are what brought the Czar and the ultra rich in the old Russian to their downfall - there is a lesson there for the ultra rich and ultra greedy in the USA and in Eurppe.

 


that is no reason to glorify a mass murderer


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Report this Oct. 06 2011, 8:02 pm

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>The bankers are self-interested and wantonly irresponsible and should be put on trial for economic treason on both sides of the Atlantic.

>In Cockney Rhyming Slang they really are a bunch of bankers ...

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Stallin had the right idea for dealing with likes of these greedy ultrarich dirtbags - he either lined them up against a brick wall and shot them or he sent to the gollags , as well as natonalising their companies and industries and taking their illbegotten wealth and assets off them and thir families.

The members of parliament , congressmen, senators and governors who are protecting these dirtbags need to be sent a very strong and clear message in the next election by throwing them out and many of them need to prosecuted for being corrupt and in the pockets of these economic criminals.

 

yeah!  why can't more of our current leaders be more like one of the worst mass murderers of the 20th century

Arrogance and extreme greed by the wealthy and ruling classes in the old Russia (before the Russian Revolution) and extreme disparities in wealth distribution then are what brought the Czar and the ultra rich in the old Russian to their downfall - there is a lesson there for the ultra rich and ultra greedy in the USA and in Eurppe.

 

  You do realize that stalin didn't kill any of Russia's ultra wealthy as by the time he took over they didn't exist (unless you counted the upper levels of the communist party).  He killed people who disagreed with him, people who wanted freedom, and people who failed him.


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Report this Oct. 06 2011, 8:05 pm

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>Good luck to these protestors.

>The bankers are self-interested and wantonly irresponsible and should be put on trial for economic treason on both sides of the Atlantic.

>In Cockney Rhyming Slang they really are a bunch of bankers ...

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Stallin had the right idea for dealing with likes of these greedy ultrarich dirtbags - he either lined them up against a brick wall and shot them or he sent to the gollags , as well as natonalising their companies and industries and taking their illbegotten wealth and assets off them and thir families.

The members of parliament , congressmen, senators and governors who are protecting these dirtbags need to be sent a very strong and clear message in the next election by throwing them out and many of them need to prosecuted for being corrupt and in the pockets of these economic criminals.

 

yeah!  why can't more of our current leaders be more like one of the worst mass murderers of the 20th century

Arrogance and extreme greed by the wealthy and ruling classes in the old Russia (before the Russian Revolution) and extreme disparities in wealth distribution then are what brought the Czar and the ultra rich in the old Russian to their downfall - there is a lesson there for the ultra rich and ultra greedy in the USA and in Eurppe.

 

  You do realize that stalin didn't kill any of Russia's ultra wealthy as by the time he took over they didn't exist (unless you counted the upper levels of the communist party).  He killed people who disagreed with him, people who wanted freedom, and people who failed him.


not to mention the ultra wealthy were just replaced with a similer group of ultra entitled


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Report this Oct. 06 2011, 8:08 pm

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>Good luck to these protestors.

>The bankers are self-interested and wantonly irresponsible and should be put on trial for economic treason on both sides of the Atlantic.

>In Cockney Rhyming Slang they really are a bunch of bankers ...

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Stallin had the right idea for dealing with likes of these greedy ultrarich dirtbags - he either lined them up against a brick wall and shot them or he sent to the gollags , as well as natonalising their companies and industries and taking their illbegotten wealth and assets off them and thir families.

The members of parliament , congressmen, senators and governors who are protecting these dirtbags need to be sent a very strong and clear message in the next election by throwing them out and many of them need to prosecuted for being corrupt and in the pockets of these economic criminals.

 

yeah!  why can't more of our current leaders be more like one of the worst mass murderers of the 20th century

Arrogance and extreme greed by the wealthy and ruling classes in the old Russia (before the Russian Revolution) and extreme disparities in wealth distribution then are what brought the Czar and the ultra rich in the old Russian to their downfall - there is a lesson there for the ultra rich and ultra greedy in the USA and in Eurppe.

 

  You do realize that stalin didn't kill any of Russia's ultra wealthy as by the time he took over they didn't exist (unless you counted the upper levels of the communist party).  He killed people who disagreed with him, people who wanted freedom, and people who failed him.

not to mention the ultra wealthy were just replaced with a similer group of ultra entitled

  Yup different name far worse result.


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Report this Oct. 06 2011, 8:10 pm

I see the class warfare crowd is in full swing here.


Rather than going out and earning something on their own these whiney members of the 'cupcake generation' think they are entitled to something they will not work for.


They see someone with more than they have, and rather than work for it themselves, they try to find a way to take it, because they think someone has too much. Who are they to say?


How is it that they feel owed somehing? If you got into $125,000 in debt from sudent loans getting an education learning a skill no one will pay you for TFB. No one OWES you a job, education beyond high school, or a 'living wage' .


Either pick a skill that gets you a paycheck you can live on or work more than one job, I have, and so has my wife. We did what we could to earn a living and pay the bills. I was laid off a year and a half ago. Did I sit on my ass and expect the government to take care of me? No. I collected my seperation package, paid for by my former employer, not the taxpayer, and found another job. Took 4 months and I was ultra lucky, but my skills got me hired. I interviewed with dozens of employers. I did what I had to, and did not sit around expecting anyone to bail me out, no one OWED me anything.


I weep for the generation that expects everything handed to them and refuse to work for it. I blame the parents of these needy me monkeys. They whine and camp out on public property expecting anyone and everyone to give in to their manifesto. Get off the Greenway, some of us have to go to work. we can't sit on our ass and talk to camera crews. We have jobs. If you do not have a skill that someone will pay you for, get one. Otherwise do not expect someone to bail you out of hundreds of thousands in student loans you blew on basket weaving, or bellybutton studies, or hobo migration patterns. No one will pay you enough to live with a doctorate in bong manufacturing skills. Except other bong users.


Does anyone know why Tea Party rallies don't last this long? Those folks have jobs. They don't have the luxury of time to campout on Wall Street, or the Greenway in Boston.


We are too busy paying taxes to pay off these douchbags defaulted student loans.


 


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FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Oct. 06 2011, 9:40 pm

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>Good luck to these protestors.

>The bankers are self-interested and wantonly irresponsible and should be put on trial for economic treason on both sides of the Atlantic.

>In Cockney Rhyming Slang they really are a bunch of bankers ...

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Stallin had the right idea for dealing with likes of these greedy ultrarich dirtbags - he either lined them up against a brick wall and shot them or he sent to the gollags , as well as natonalising their companies and industries and taking their illbegotten wealth and assets off them and thir families.

The members of parliament , congressmen, senators and governors who are protecting these dirtbags need to be sent a very strong and clear message in the next election by throwing them out and many of them need to prosecuted for being corrupt and in the pockets of these economic criminals.

 

yeah!  why can't more of our current leaders be more like one of the worst mass murderers of the 20th century

Arrogance and extreme greed by the wealthy and ruling classes in the old Russia (before the Russian Revolution) and extreme disparities in wealth distribution then are what brought the Czar and the ultra rich in the old Russian to their downfall - there is a lesson there for the ultra rich and ultra greedy in the USA and in Eurppe.

 

And under the communist regime, things were very much worse - with only the government class and the slave class.


It's very sad that you're not only calling for violence, but assassinations.


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Report this Oct. 06 2011, 9:45 pm

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>I see the class warfare crowd is in full swing here.

>Rather than going out and earning something on their own these whiney members of the 'cupcake generation' think they are entitled to something they will not work for.

>They see someone with more than they have, and rather than work for it themselves, they try to find a way to take it, because they think someone has too much. Who are they to say?

>How is it that they feel owed somehing? If you got into $125,000 in debt from sudent loans getting an education learning a skill no one will pay you for TFB. No one OWES you a job, education beyond high school, or a 'living wage' .

>Either pick a skill that gets you a paycheck you can live on or work more than one job, I have, and so has my wife. We did what we could to earn a living and pay the bills. I was laid off a year and a half ago. Did I sit on my ass and expect the government to take care of me? No. I collected my seperation package, paid for by my former employer, not the taxpayer, and found another job. Took 4 months and I was ultra lucky, but my skills got me hired. I interviewed with dozens of employers. I did what I had to, and did not sit around expecting anyone to bail me out, no one OWED me anything.

>I weep for the generation that expects everything handed to them and refuse to work for it. I blame the parents of these needy me monkeys. They whine and camp out on public property expecting anyone and everyone to give in to their manifesto. Get off the Greenway, some of us have to go to work. we can't sit on our ass and talk to camera crews. We have jobs. If you do not have a skill that someone will pay you for, get one. Otherwise do not expect someone to bail you out of hundreds of thousands in student loans you blew on basket weaving, or bellybutton studies, or hobo migration patterns. No one will pay you enough to live with a doctorate in bong manufacturing skills. Except other bong users.

>Does anyone know why Tea Party rallies don't last this long? Those folks have jobs. They don't have the luxury of time to campout on Wall Street, or the Greenway in Boston.

>We are too busy paying taxes to pay off these douchbags defaulted student loans.

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Report this Oct. 07 2011, 5:40 am

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>Rather than going out and earning something on their own these whiney members of the 'cupcake generation' think they are entitled to something they will not work for.

>They see someone with more than they have, and rather than work for it themselves, they try to find a way to take it, because they think someone has too much. Who are they to say?

>How is it that they feel owed somehing? If you got into $125,000 in debt from sudent loans getting an education learning a skill no one will pay you for TFB. No one OWES you a job, education beyond high school, or a 'living wage' .

>Either pick a skill that gets you a paycheck you can live on or work more than one job, I have, and so has my wife. We did what we could to earn a living and pay the bills. I was laid off a year and a half ago. Did I sit on my ass and expect the government to take care of me? No. I collected my seperation package, paid for by my former employer, not the taxpayer, and found another job. Took 4 months and I was ultra lucky, but my skills got me hired. I interviewed with dozens of employers. I did what I had to, and did not sit around expecting anyone to bail me out, no one OWED me anything.

>I weep for the generation that expects everything handed to them and refuse to work for it. I blame the parents of these needy me monkeys. They whine and camp out on public property expecting anyone and everyone to give in to their manifesto. Get off the Greenway, some of us have to go to work. we can't sit on our ass and talk to camera crews. We have jobs. If you do not have a skill that someone will pay you for, get one. Otherwise do not expect someone to bail you out of hundreds of thousands in student loans you blew on basket weaving, or bellybutton studies, or hobo migration patterns. No one will pay you enough to live with a doctorate in bong manufacturing skills. Except other bong users.

>Does anyone know why Tea Party rallies don't last this long? Those folks have jobs. They don't have the luxury of time to campout on Wall Street, or the Greenway in Boston.

>We are too busy paying taxes to pay off these douchbags defaulted student loans.

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I don't know where you are you getting your bigotted ideas from , but the images of the protestors I've seen over the last several day show protestors from a broad range of age groups (young people, middle aged people, seniors , and everything between).

Maybe you need to broaden your sources of news and you really need to lay off on this discrimatory bigotted and highly derogatory cupcake generation BS you are spreading and perhaps say something new. You are like a broken record. 

 


Did you even read the manifesto of these clowns? It is all over the map. They might as well be asking for the letter M to be removed from the English language. No plan at all, other than 'Rich people are Evil'


As for the people, I am not on the web looking at them, I walk past them camped out across from South Station in Boston on the Rose Kennedy Greenway. No permits, free trash pickup, free electricity. All paid for by the city. Essentialy the taxpayers are funding this like it or not. If it were the Tea Party, or AIDS Walk, or Save the Boobies, or Autism Speaks they would all have to get a permit and pay for the police detail and trash pickup, and that is even if they could get permits from the all Democratic city and state.


Call me bigotted all you want. I am. But only against whiney, entitlement assclowns who expect free stuff paid for by someone else.


On another note, did these clowns cheer when Steve Jobs, the 110th richest man on the planet, die. He was an evil capitalist. Or were they too busy Facebooking and Tweeting on there Iphones?


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