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Worst Trek stereotype ever!

Matthias Russell

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Report this Sep. 12 2011, 9:17 pm

Was a race, culture, or other "type" ever misrepresented in an offensive or stereotypical way?  Was there a character or species that ever shocked or offended you?

SLagonia

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Report this Sep. 13 2011, 7:59 am

Chakotay was by far the worst.  He was just an endless string of American Indian cliches.  And don't forget, ladies and gentlemen, that Indians were savage and had no technology until white men from outerspace came and fixed them...  Do you remember when Trek used to be a progressive show?


Cogenitor was offensive only because the episode sided with Archer and the alien world's viewpoint.  I can't believe the episode wasn't about Trip showing this poor creature there was more to life than slavery and provoking a cultural revolution, and was instead about how he should have left well enough alone and s/he was better off left in ignorance!  Rick Berman apparently believes slaves were better off illiterate and ignorant on the plantation.


Kim was a bit of a stereotyped asian, but it's not as severe as Chakotay.  Let's look at Sulu for a minute - Japanese, sure, but he was born in San Francisco, liked American firearms and European swordfighting.  Gene traveled much of the world and clearly had a good understanding of the concept of multi-culturalism.  Had Sulu been written today, he'd have been given a stereo-typical name like 'Kim,' have no real origin, be good at mathmatics and music, have a bland personality, overbearing parents...  Obviously nothing like our Harry!


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Report this Sep. 13 2011, 8:25 am

I read one fan say he thought Kivas Fajo (hoped I spelled that right) was an offensive Jewish stereotype.

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Report this Sep. 13 2011, 8:27 am

I think ENT could be more stereotypical and racially insensitive since the show was about overcoming bias, accepting diversity, and unification. They had to be prejudice to overcome it. They also had "less evolved" sensibilities.

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Report this Sep. 13 2011, 9:18 am

I think there's a big difference between INTENTIONALLY written stereotypes and biases and places whre stuff just fell flat.


"Code of Honor" comes immediately to mind.


I think "Turnabout Intruder" was awful as well.

SLagonia

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Report this Sep. 13 2011, 9:22 am

Quote: Vger23 @ Sep. 13 2011, 9:18 am

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>I think there's a big difference between INTENTIONALLY written stereotypes and biases and places whre stuff just fell flat.

>"Code of Honor" comes immediately to mind.

>I think "Turnabout Intruder" was awful as well.

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True on Code of Honor - It seems like there may have been something underlying it that wasn't accidental, especially when it was just a few episodes removed from the Arian super-beings in Justice.


Turnabout Intruder I can write off since you can explain her comments away, and a lot of that was mandated by the network.


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SLagonia

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Report this Sep. 13 2011, 9:23 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Sep. 13 2011, 8:27 am

>I think ENT could be more stereotypical and racially insensitive since the show was about overcoming bias, accepting diversity, and unification. They had to be prejudice to overcome it. They also had "less evolved" sensibilities.


Very true.  There could have been some real chance for progressive stories there. 


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Report this Sep. 13 2011, 9:24 am

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>Actually, as far as sterotyping goes, I thought TNG's Code of Honour was horrible.

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Agreed. 


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Vger23

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Report this Sep. 13 2011, 9:58 am

Quote: SLagonia @ Sep. 13 2011, 9:22 am

Quote: Vger23 @ Sep. 13 2011, 9:18 am

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>I think there's a big difference between INTENTIONALLY written stereotypes and biases and places whre stuff just fell flat.

>"Code of Honor" comes immediately to mind.

>I think "Turnabout Intruder" was awful as well.

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True on Code of Honor - It seems like there may have been something underlying it that wasn't accidental, especially when it was just a few episodes removed from the Arian super-beings in Justice.

Turnabout Intruder I can write off since you can explain her comments away, and a lot of that was mandated by the network.


 


True,


It's obviously important to remember that as "ahead of its time" and progressive as TOS was, it couldn't help but be a product of the era in some respects.


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Report this Sep. 13 2011, 11:19 am

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>Archer's actions inthat episode where his dog got ill and he went a bit wacko at the natives of the planet was a bit racist IMO.

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"A Night in Sickbay"  (interestingly enough I recently posted stating that to be one of my top three episodes) was the episode.  The Kreetassans got off lightly, I think.  They're lucky it was Archer and not Kirk.  Kirk would have hooked up with one of their females, blasted the alvera trees to toothpicks and taken the warp injector he needed.

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Report this Sep. 13 2011, 11:21 am

Well... and this is a first for me but SLagonia I'm gonna have to disagree with you here. I agree with the spirit of what you said in Cogenitor but slavery hasn't always been the same everywhere all the time.


American slavery changed the game, made it into a hereditary institution and inspired the idea of race. Slave was never a great thing, but niether was it a... great evil. It was a station in life, the result of having lost a war or conflict. It wasn't always about being lesser than, it actually a contemporary reality.


Either way though, how we may or may not feel about slavery or freedom it wasn't our place to teach anything. Ideas are as dangerous as technology, in the wrong hands... BOOM!


As for Trek and sterotypes from Trek: making aliens so freaking one dimensional, everybody speaks the same language the same way, no body has an accent. Everybody believes the same thing, or an offshoot of the same thing. All the aliens of the Cogenitor race had to treat the third sex the same way?


It seems that the only time aliens had diversity was when they had surprisingly human pigmantation differences and like humans the white ones did the talking.


I agree 100% about that thing with Harry, I never even thought about it... damn, shame on me.

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Report this Sep. 13 2011, 11:45 am

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>Well... and this is a first for me but SLagonia I'm gonna have to disagree with you here. I agree with the spirit of what you said in Cogenitor but slavery hasn't always been the same everywhere all the time.

>American slavery changed the game, made it into a hereditary institution and inspired the idea of race. Slave was never a great thing, but niether was it a... great evil. It was a station in life, the result of having lost a war or conflict. It wasn't always about being lesser than, it actually a contemporary reality.

>Either way though, how we may or may not feel about slavery or freedom it wasn't our place to teach anything. Ideas are as dangerous as technology, in the wrong hands... BOOM!


And if it were presented from both sides - The idea of progressive ideas carrying unintended consequences, with suffering being brought equally with the idea of freedom and equality bringing them hope and allowing their society to progress...  That could have been interesting.  But that wasn't how it was presented - It was presented as the concept of equality being too dangerous, and that slaves should remain ignorant in order to maintain order.  Captain Archer was friends with the diplomat, and therefore decided he didn't care about slavery, going so far as to berate Trip for daring to suggest their may be something more for the life of a slave.


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Report this Sep. 13 2011, 5:32 pm

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>Actually, as far as sterotyping goes, I thought TNG's Code of Honour was horrible.

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Agreed. 


 


I third that. Besides "Shades of Gray" , it has got to be one of TNG's worst.


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Report this Sep. 13 2011, 6:11 pm

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Agreed. 

 

I third that. Besides "Shades of Gray" , it has got to be one of TNG's worst.


I have it at 658, which puts it ahead of only Shades of Grey, Genesis and The Outrageous Okona as far as TNG goes.


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guillermo.mejía

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Report this Sep. 13 2011, 6:14 pm

I think Turnabout Intruder should win this prize, for the inferior women complex that is Dr. Janice Lester.


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