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What's the deal with admirals?

Matthias Russell

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Report this Sep. 12 2011, 8:42 pm

Why are the Admirals such schmucks? The great past captains were the ones that became Admirals, yet the Admirals depicted in TNG and DS9 are often seen as petty, immature, rash, quick tempered, and even corrupt. Hardly Starfleets finest eh?

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Report this Sep. 13 2011, 6:14 pm

I would imagine that a lot of them didnt want it, after all look at many of our familiar characters who were either offered an admiral promotion or had it thrusted on them. Not likeing somethnig can often lead to bad things. And besides, if these admirals were all as good as the various series main characters, they would have had their own shows, like admiral Janeway

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Report this Sep. 13 2011, 6:17 pm

I think many admirals decided early on in their careers that they wanted to be admirals.  They structured their careers just right and played the political games to reach admiral because it was their goal all along to reach that position of power.  I think of the TNG and DS9 admirals as politicians who played 'starfleet' for a while, but really only wanted to be admirals in the end.  The 'bad' admirals we see on screen probably got their rank through political maneuvering, not merit.  Many of the best captains probably never wanted to reach admiral and stayed captain (or, like Kirk, became admirals and regretted it).  

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Report this Sep. 13 2011, 9:50 pm

"Here's your promotion. Here's your new uniform. Here's your admiral insignia. Now report to Starfleet Medical for your obligatory pre-cortal lobotomy."


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Report this Sep. 14 2011, 4:11 am

Admirals are supposed to represent the bureaucratic mindset, to contrast them against the bolder and more heroic captains.


 

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Report this Sep. 14 2011, 10:07 am

Yeah realistically they just used them to but heads with our hero captains, I bet if it was real they all wouldn't be so ignorant. The only admirals I liked were Kirk, Cartwright, Nechayev, and Ross. Admiral Satie was cool till she went nuts at the end of the episode.


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Matthias Russell

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Report this Sep. 14 2011, 10:12 am

Even Ross and Nechayev could be a little amoral for political saaviness. Ross approved and even worked with Section 31.

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Report this Sep. 14 2011, 11:01 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Sep. 14 2011, 10:12 am

>Even Ross and Nechayev could be a little amoral for political saaviness. Ross approved and even worked with Section 31.


That's what I liked about them though, everyone else was just your basic smug, "Do what I say" person. I didn't mind the ones who had a bit of a dark side. Imagine the logistics in galactic politics it must be etremely stressful as shown when Admiral Satie finally brokedown.


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Report this Sep. 14 2011, 11:10 am

The "good" admirals were the ones who served with exemplary records and then shot themselves in the foot by accepting a desk job.  Most of the admirals were politicians/bureaucrats who wanted the power and prestige associated with the rank.  Just another example of the darker, petty side of human nature as seen in episodes like "Paradise Lost" of DS9.

Matthias Russell

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Report this Sep. 14 2011, 2:38 pm

So do good captains NOT make good admirals? Do they have different paradigms? Perhaps Kirk's warning to Picard in the Nexus wasn't just a warning about what he would lose but a warning about what he would become.

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Report this Sep. 14 2011, 4:59 pm

Mostly they're ether a villain in the ep or (in DS9) be alike Admiral Ross. Which is in genreal one of the good guys except as posted earlier for his temporaly alliance to Section 31. Admiral Nechajev is also a complicated person not only for Cpt. Picard as for Cpt. Sisko in his show. The Admirals in  DS9 6.05 even are a exception when those agree with Sisko.


 


The best type of the manner is Cpt. Sisko's lack of getting promoted to Admiral.

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Sep. 14 2011, 7:33 pm

So why did Riker want to be an Admiral?  He wasn't a politician.


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Report this Sep. 15 2011, 12:55 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Sep. 14 2011, 2:38 pm

>So do good captains NOT make good admirals? Do they have different paradigms? Perhaps Kirk's warning to Picard in the Nexus wasn't just a warning about what he would lose but a warning about what he would become.


I think they are two very different kinds of jobs, so in a lot of ways -- yeah -- the qualities that would make for an ideal captain might not work so well in an admiral.


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Matthias Russell

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Report this Sep. 15 2011, 8:24 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Sep. 14 2011, 7:33 pm

So why did Riker want to be an Admiral?  He wasn't a politician.



Riker was an admiral in an alternate future same as picard was in alternate futures. But neither ever discussed this as an ambition.

Matthias Russell

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Report this Sep. 15 2011, 8:27 am

Based on this discussion, what does everyone think of Janeway being offered and accepting an admiralty position soon after her return?

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