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Corwin8

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Report this Sep. 07 2011, 9:28 am

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>read this sites.

>http://calpensions.com/2010/05/04/government-pay-lower-than-private-sector/

>http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/02/working-in-america-public-vs-private-sector/

>http://mediamatters.org/mobile/research/201012010020

>Jobs in the government generally require collledge degrees, which mean more competent worker on average. If i recall correctly over 50% of public employees have a colledge degree, whereas below 25% of the private sector employees have colledge degrees of the same level.

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College degrees do not make one more competent or better at their job. 

 

really, care to back that claim up.

Those with colledge degrees have more education in the particular field that they have chosen, then those who  don't. Sure they may not have real world experience at first but the same applies to the person without a colledge degree.


Sure. I can spell college, yet I do not have a degree.  


Who trains the Ensigns and 2nd Lt. officers in the US military? These are the lowest ranking members of the officer core. 


Chief Petty Officers, an enlisted rank, or Master Sargents, in the other branches. 


To be an officer requires a degree in most cases, to be an enlisted man does not, yet almost all branches of the service tend to have senior enlisted train junior officers, not more senior officers. I wonder why?


A degree does not give anyone more experience or ensure they are better at a job than someone who does not. The exception is in fields like medicine where doctors have a long internship gaining experience before they practice on their own. 


Let the bridges I burn light the way. You are special, just like everybody else. Calling an illegal alien an ‘undocumented immigrant’ is like calling a drug dealer an ‘unlicensed pharmacist’

chr33355

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Report this Sep. 07 2011, 6:13 pm

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>read this sites.

>http://calpensions.com/2010/05/04/government-pay-lower-than-private-sector/

>http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/02/working-in-america-public-vs-private-sector/

>http://mediamatters.org/mobile/research/201012010020

>Jobs in the government generally require collledge degrees, which mean more competent worker on average. If i recall correctly over 50% of public employees have a colledge degree, whereas below 25% of the private sector employees have colledge degrees of the same level.

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College degrees do not make one more competent or better at their job. 

 

really, care to back that claim up.

Those with colledge degrees have more education in the particular field that they have chosen, then those who  don't. Sure they may not have real world experience at first but the same applies to the person without a colledge degree.

Sure. I can spell college, yet I do not have a degree.  

Who trains the Ensigns and 2nd Lt. officers in the US military? These are the lowest ranking members of the officer core. 

Chief Petty Officers, an enlisted rank, or Master Sargents, in the other branches. 

To be an officer requires a degree in most cases, to be an enlisted man does not, yet almost all branches of the service tend to have senior enlisted train junior officers, not more senior officers. I wonder why?

A degree does not give anyone more experience or ensure they are better at a job than someone who does not. The exception is in fields like medicine where doctors have a long internship gaining experience before they practice on their own. 

A degree is not about learning information, it's about learning to think and to how to develop new ideas, and getting a very deep understanding of the area the degree is in and knowing when and how to use this deep knowledge.

 Would you trust a concreter to design and build a big river bridge ? or would you prefer it be designed by engineers and built under their supervision and management ?

 

  A degree is all about learning information and being able to reguritate it in a way your professer wants it nothing more.  It may have been like that but no more people are discurage from learning how to think.


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Report this Sep. 07 2011, 6:37 pm

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>read this sites.

>http://calpensions.com/2010/05/04/government-pay-lower-than-private-sector/

>http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/02/working-in-america-public-vs-private-sector/

>http://mediamatters.org/mobile/research/201012010020

>Jobs in the government generally require collledge degrees, which mean more competent worker on average. If i recall correctly over 50% of public employees have a colledge degree, whereas below 25% of the private sector employees have colledge degrees of the same level.

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College degrees do not make one more competent or better at their job. 

 

really, care to back that claim up.

Those with colledge degrees have more education in the particular field that they have chosen, then those who  don't. Sure they may not have real world experience at first but the same applies to the person without a colledge degree.

Sure. I can spell college, yet I do not have a degree.  

Who trains the Ensigns and 2nd Lt. officers in the US military? These are the lowest ranking members of the officer core. 

Chief Petty Officers, an enlisted rank, or Master Sargents, in the other branches. 

To be an officer requires a degree in most cases, to be an enlisted man does not, yet almost all branches of the service tend to have senior enlisted train junior officers, not more senior officers. I wonder why?

A degree does not give anyone more experience or ensure they are better at a job than someone who does not. The exception is in fields like medicine where doctors have a long internship gaining experience before they practice on their own. 

A degree is not about learning information, it's about learning to think and to how to develop new ideas, and getting a very deep understanding of the area the degree is in and knowing when and how to use this deep knowledge.

 Would you trust a concreter to design and build a big river bridge ? or would you prefer it be designed by engineers and built under their supervision and management ?

 

  A degree is all about learning information and being able to reguritate it in a way your professer wants it nothing more.  It may have been like that but no more people are discurage from learning how to think.

Education is extremely important, but nowadays, not a lot of it is being done in the classroom.  When an 18 year old kid answers questions - the answer must be what the book says or what the professor says. (No criitcal thinking allowed.)  When I finished earning my degree, I took the "non-traditional" route and it was completely different than when I first started.  While some of the instructors were still of the 'memorize & regurgitate' mindset, some of the instructors wanted to hear real life examples and how they applied.  And it wasn't uncommon that a student was actually more qualified to teach a subject than the professor.


Just because a person has a degree doesn't mean that they're "educated."


And Corwin is right - in the military, we NCOs are given the responsibility to train the butter bars.  Additionally, I had the opportunity to train AF Cadets and a Midshipman for a few weeks on their summer rotations.


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