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SLagonia

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Report this Aug. 30 2011, 10:52 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Aug. 30 2011, 9:42 am

>The point is, starfleet can't have a double standard. It also prides itself on its tolerance and diversity, so how can they refuse to allow a Bajoran to have such an important symbol of cultural identity? Perhaps the fish people should have to learn to breathe standard atmosphere because that chest piece apparatus is non-standard. The crewman from STVI should have parts of his feet chopped off so he can fit into standard issue boots.


Near here, we had three sculptures outside our courthouse - One was the Code of Hammurabi, one was The Ten Commandments and one was The Declaration of Independance.  The idea of the scultptures was that they were the origins of law as we know it today.  The middle sculpture has since been removed due to being a religious symbol.


This is actually a common event in The United States.  Religion is not protected anymore, just as it is not in Starfleet.  The Federation has no freedom of expression when religion is involved.


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Report this Aug. 30 2011, 1:31 pm

Aha, but Ro wasn't religious and wore her earing on the wrong ear. She did this to symbolize that although she had no faith in the prophets she respected her culture. Therefore, it had the same significance as Worf's sash.

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Report this Aug. 30 2011, 1:42 pm

Um... I think this post makes a valid point about Trek and how they bend the rules for production purposes but in the interest of creating a Starfleet standard and Federation standard it makes it hard.


Worf shouldn't have been allowed to wear the baldric, because it only served as a trite reminder that he was different, from a warrior society but we knew that by his makeup, and his culture would be explored through storyline anway and we would remember and associate that with him without the sash. Its abit like an Native American wearing a crest of feathers.


Chakotay's tatoo was like wearing the feather and Worf's sash, it was meant to invoke a certain cultural sensabilty but I think it worked, because it was subtle and specific. It blended in and it was just the right touch to connect him to a Mestizo indian sensability and not just Latino, like they did with Torres. B'Elanna is a great melding of these two things; she is a Klingon like Worf and has a Latino heritage and both required no other indication and representation than her name and appearence. Whereas Chakotay needed just that little something to distinguish him, the specific importance of his sothern americas Rubber Tree heritage without being cliched.


Also, look at Ferengi headwear. Nog and Rom wore them in their respective service uniforms but no other species was seen wearing what is the equivialnt of a hat. It would seem to me that such a addition wouldn't be uniform. But here again sublty is key.


The earrings worked on DS9, for much the reason someone said earlier that the Bajorans, obviously understanding the rings significance, they incorparated it into their uniform code. But that is in a homogenous military, it's different with a hetrogenous Starfleet. It was a nice cultural touch on TNG for Ro, once you see DS9 and get to know the Bajorans and how imporatant their faith is to them, so it worked better than Worf's sash because it had a significance as uniquely Bajoran, whereas Worf's makeup  and the Klingon behavior defined them more than any trinket. In addition as another poster pointed out  in each instance where they had the Bajoran remove the earrings they were rogues and need to be "tamed".


That said I'm okay with the earring not being allowed when on duty, because of its religous significance; Worf's sash was a pointless decoration and shouldn't have been included as part of his character and I don't think would have been allowed by the regulations.


I want to see a character that isn't labeled as 'gay' have a nice, normal romance with no hint of prejudice, no allegory and no message at all. Just put it there, like it happens all the time and no one gives a damn, which is exactly how it should be. I don't want a story about how no one understands them or how society isn't accepting, just have it happen. ~ SLagonia

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Report this Aug. 31 2011, 7:54 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Aug. 30 2011, 9:42 am

>The point is, starfleet can't have a double standard. It also prides itself on its tolerance and diversity, so how can they refuse to allow a Bajoran to have such an important symbol of cultural identity? Perhaps the fish people should have to learn to breathe standard atmosphere because that chest piece apparatus is non-standard. The crewman from STVI should have parts of his feet chopped off so he can fit into standard issue boots.


I agree.


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Report this Sep. 07 2011, 12:26 pm

In VOY: Learning Curve, Tuvok makes a human remove a head band and a Bajoran remove an earing because both violate the Starfleet dress code. Apparently Ro was not singled out. Sito Jaxa did not wear an earing in the 2 TNG episodes she was in.

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