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Bajoran earring

VulcanWeapon

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Report this Aug. 22 2011, 6:44 pm

In the Voyager episode Learning Curve, Tuvok says that the Bajoran earring is against starfleet regulation ( dress code) I was confused becuase I recall Bajorans wearing earrings on duty in TNG. It also seams a little racist,  It is a religious item. I think Starfleet could make an exception.


 


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Report this Aug. 23 2011, 9:12 am

Not an accurate answr but from what i remember the Bajorans were not a part of the federation, so neither was the Bajoran militia. Im sure they followd some of starfleets regulations but it was allowed someone will post more accurate answr. also look it up on the website.

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Report this Aug. 24 2011, 12:53 pm

 


I think it has something to do with the Starfleet Uniform code. Riker had the same conversation with Ro Laren, in the episode "Ensign Ro," but she was later allowed to wear her earring. So, perhaps it is a question of whether your captain is prepared to bend the rules for you.

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Report this Aug. 24 2011, 3:08 pm

Yea, I was thinking of Ro too.  It seems that at the end of one of the episodes, Picard wanted to keep her in Starfleet and she accepted on the condition of keeping her earring.

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Report this Aug. 24 2011, 3:17 pm

While Starfleet has always been respectful of other culture's religions, it has never been respectful toward religious symbols or practices of its own members.  Once you join Starfleet, you are expected to drop all religious practices.


Is this unfair?  Sure, but it's a condition of employment.  What was really unfair was expecting Maquis crewmembers to forfit their religion while on Voyager.  They didn't sign up for this, they were victims of circumstance.


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Report this Aug. 24 2011, 3:31 pm

Starfleet officers, human ones anyway didn't seem to have much use for religion and I think that made them rigid toward others' religious observations despite their claims of inclusive. That said I had no problem with the no earring thing.


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Report this Aug. 24 2011, 3:56 pm

Quote: Blinkn @ Aug. 24 2011, 3:31 pm

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>Starfleet officers, human ones anyway didn't seem to have much use for religion and I think that made them rigid toward others' religious observations despite their claims of inclusive. That said I had no problem with the no earring thing.

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Well to be fair, we really haven't seen much of their religion.  It's clear that some of them do have religious beliefs, but it seems as if openly practicing them is frowned upon in Starfleet circles.  Seems The Federation has no freedom of religion.


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Report this Aug. 24 2011, 4:24 pm

Even though Kira Naris wasn't in Starfleet it wasn't permitted for her to wear a bracelet in DS9 5.19!

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Report this Aug. 24 2011, 5:06 pm

If Worf could wear his sash, Deanna her outfits and jewlry then Bajorans should be able to wear their ear rings.  I thought those statements were stupid.  Starfleet and the UFP are supposed to respect cultures but forbid a race from wearing a cultural requirement?  Bunk I say!


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Report this Aug. 24 2011, 5:38 pm

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Aug. 24 2011, 5:06 pm

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>If Worf could wear his sash, Deanna her outfits and jewlry then Bajorans should be able to wear their ear rings.  I thought those statements were stupid.  Starfleet and the UFP are supposed to respect cultures but forbid a race from wearing a cultural requirement?  Bunk I say!

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Yes, but those weren't religious symbols.  The regulation is apparently very specific as to only target religious symbols.


Also, as stated earlier, they do respect other cultures...  So long as you're not in Starfleet, at which time you will conform to what they consider normal.


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Report this Aug. 24 2011, 11:25 pm

And that doesn't rule out a Klingon sash? So religious accessories are unacceptable but other cultural ones are fine? That makes no sense. I didn't realize atheism was enforced in starfleet.

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Report this Aug. 25 2011, 12:41 am

Quote: VulcanWeapon @ Aug. 22 2011, 6:44 pm

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>In the Voyager episode Learning Curve, Tuvok says that the Bajoran earring is against starfleet regulation ( dress code) I was confused becuase I recall Bajorans wearing earrings on duty in TNG. It also seams a little racist,  It is a religious item. I think Starfleet could make an exception.

>Just looking ot be cleared up

> LLAP

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I agree that it demonstrates cultural insensitivity on the part of Starfleet -- and the Bajorans should remember to stipulate a change to this policy as a condition of them joining the Federation!


If I recall correctly, Sito did not wear an earring on TNG, and Ro was initially told to remove hers -- but she managed to negotiate with Picard that she would only stay on in Starfleet if he allowed her to wear it from then onwards.


And then she proceeded... not to stay in Starfleet! hehehe


Kira might not have been in Starfleet, but she was in the military. But since it was the Bajoran military, of course they would understand the cultural importance of earrings and incorporate those into their dress code. A rough equivalent today might be the Middle Eastern armies where soldiers wear traditional head-dress.


On the other hand, the Voyager Maquis guy, and Ro, were both considered renegades -- so there may have been an element of wanting to "tame" them in a sense -- reel them in by forcing them to conform to Starfleet code. In this I feel that the Maquis guy had it harder, because he never made the choice to enter Starfleet -- that decision was essentially pushed on him by Janeway and Chakotay.


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Report this Aug. 30 2011, 6:49 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ Aug. 25 2011, 12:41 am

>I agree that it demonstrates cultural insensitivity on the part of Starfleet -- and the Bajorans should remember to stipulate a change to this policy as a condition of them joining the Federation!


When you join The Federation, you conform to them, not the other way around.  There's really a complete difference between The Federation's policies between worlds outside The Federation and worlds inside it, making me wonder why anyone would want to join it. 


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Report this Aug. 30 2011, 8:19 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Aug. 24 2011, 11:25 pm

>And that doesn't rule out a Klingon sash? So religious accessories are unacceptable but other cultural ones are fine? That makes no sense. I didn't realize atheism was enforced in starfleet.


Semi-kinda-sorta off topic


I feel this touches on that out-of-control topic we had a while back (where someone was banned) on how ST deals with religion.


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Report this Aug. 30 2011, 9:42 am

The point is, starfleet can't have a double standard. It also prides itself on its tolerance and diversity, so how can they refuse to allow a Bajoran to have such an important symbol of cultural identity? Perhaps the fish people should have to learn to breathe standard atmosphere because that chest piece apparatus is non-standard. The crewman from STVI should have parts of his feet chopped off so he can fit into standard issue boots.

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