Star Trek

I guess you Trekking Wizards put me in my place.  I'm clearly in awe and ready to be beamed up.

 IDIC

 Infinate Diversity In Infinate Combination.  

I prefer to believe The Bible rather than Stephen.

Okay... bisexuality is when you're attracted to both genders. Attraction animals is beastality. The two aren't usually connected.

Kirk may appear as straight as phaser fire, but it's pretty obvious that he has something for Spock.

I agree with DS9TREK

who cares if there are homosexual charactors? Star Trek takes place in the future, where evryone is treated equal and generally no one is frowned apon.

Yanks, I won't disagree that Jadzia's character disappointed. I preferred her in seasons 1 & 2 when she acted like a science officer, as opposed to her later role as DS9's romantic consultant. Actually, that's the main reason I wish Jadzia had been killed in season 3 or 4, and Ezri brought in earlier.

Anyway, I also won't argue that tv is constantly pushing a liberal approach, but "Rejoined" wasn't the ratings grab in my area. I remember several people, friends and non-friends, dropped DS9 based strictly on the commercial, without ever having watched the actual episode. Advertising wise, I can agree with your complaint, but the episode itself was a drastic departure from the previews. I'm always curous how the writers would choose to advertise their episode as opposed to the network and marketers.

Going back to "Rejoined", they could have brought in a male in an ideal world, ut the producers are budget bound. Why bring in a secondary character (I assume it wouldn't be a main character, because I don't see the potential in any of the other existing DS9 characters) when a cast member can be used? The cast member is being paid, might as well earn that paycheck.

I don't understand the comment about Dax having to leave Starfleet? Is that in reference to dialogue?

I think it doesn't matter that whether or not a character's gay. I never heard any labels for anyone. Gayness is a private issue, and in my humble opinion, homosexual references are nice being gay innuendoes.

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Kira and Torres have both been shown with pregnancies. I think the sheep is best left alone until they get a Welshman on a crew.

On an episode of STNG called "Up The Long Ladder" there were Sheep on board the Enterprise D. Check it out.

I fully support a homosexual character on a new Star Trek series.

Wessley doesn't count?

As what? Gay or sheep? I don't think he's either. (Or at least, have seen no evidence to suggest as much.)

Okay. Yes, everyone and their grandmother would say the mind meld is used as a plot device. Very obvious.

You did ask me to spell it out.

But YOU, YOU, You have used a Particular metaphor out of a choice of one million metaphors that would be appropriate for this conversation.

Simply because the mind meld metaphor applies, however, I also referenced the Trill. It is you that focuses on the mind meld, perhaps more than need be.

You were saying that sex be it homosexual or heterosexual is fine since it is already taking place. So is Rape fine since it is already taking place??

I do not know where you arrived at me saying anything was "fine since it is already talking place." I have simply been describing what is on screen. I have actually attempted to not make any value judgements on either sexual preference, and that includes Star Trek's incorporation of it. I merely point out that DS9 slighly achieved what so many have called for.

What Spock means from PRIVATE lies is that it is not something you speak of. Thats why he never told Starfleet about it. IT IS NOT A MIND MELD.

Logic dictates that if it looks like a mind meld, sounds like a mind meld, and is even portrayed like a mind meld, then it most likely is a mind meld. And actually it WAS a mind meld as Spock even went on to demonstrate the act after giving that very description of "private".

So you think that a writer is obviously using it for a metaphor of sex and that anyone who disagrees with you (me) is a thickheaded babboon??

Spock made it clear, through dialogue, that mind melds play a role in sexual facilitation. And no, anyone who disagrees with me is not a thickhead. I merely said I was not going to be dense in reference to ignoring dialogue? Do you feel the need to project it upon yourself?

Some people are just so close minded.

One must be very closed minded to be able to ignore dialogue.

Have you at least thought that maybe it is a metaphor for humanities oneness?

Why yes I have. And as you would say, that is "obvious". But sex in itself is a oneness, a unification of form to display an emotional bond or procreation. I'll break momentarily to note that I'm largely discussing mind melds with regard to sex because of the topic. If this topic were about information gathering, I'd be perfectly fine talking about the mind meld on just those terms.

Therefore, you are justifying rape because it occurs (metaphorically right?) with the mind meld.

Where are you pulling this from? I'm not justifying rape, as I didn't write any of the episodes. The writers do, however, slip these elements in as they are valid questions and interpretations.

WE were not talking about Trek on a metaphorical level. We were speaking literally.

But again, Trek works on both. I was merely expanding the discussion, though I did provide a literal example with Jadzia Dax.

As much as you would like to think that Trek is a show for the higher types, it's not.

Well, you got me there, as you're proof of that.

Even with the many times metaphors which could have been used, he opted out.

I have to totally disagree with you on this one, as the Enterprise herself was a metaphor for united earth. It just takes a look around the bridge to see that. I will admit that the metaphor may be lost in this day and age, but it was a powerful one back in the sixties. The Doomsday Machine... the planet killer... a metaphor for nuclear bombs. At times, TOS was indeed blunt, but at other times it was subtle. I also won't say Trek is for higher types, but I will say that people are open to different concepts at different times. It doesn't have to be all at once.

What next?? Spocks vulcan nerve pinch is a metaphor for sleeping??Sorry, just a simple pinch, nothing more.

So a cigar is just a cigar, because before I thought it was a very clever way of giving someone the finger without them being able to respond in kind.

I would prefer to say that mind melding is a metaphor closer to meditating or meditating with another while spirits conjoin. AS stupid as this may sound to you it is deeply unsexual. It is the physical touching of another in order to remove any physical bonds. It is much deeper spiritually than sex. It is not just a oneness with the one you are melding with, but it is also a oneness with all intelligent life!!

Actually, we can agree on this point, as I include it in my description of a mind meld's versitility. But just as Vulcans fall prey to baser sex drives, the mind meld can be used just as crudely.