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Homosexual Character(s) In Star Trek?

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Report this Aug. 11 2011, 1:09 pm

I guess you Trekking Wizards put me in my place.  I'm clearly in awe and ready to be beamed up.

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Report this Aug. 11 2011, 1:21 pm

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Report this Aug. 11 2011, 2:19 pm

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Stephen Hawkings has proven otherwise.

There is no god.


I prefer to believe The Bible rather than Stephen.

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Report this Aug. 11 2011, 3:29 pm

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>"Not just a majority, probably over 99% of people are bisexual. There are people on the extremes who are 99% straight or gay, others are dead on 50/50. The rest are somewhere in between. They just won't admit it."""

>What a sham. People mesmerized by 20th century thoughts. The gunk and garbage of the scientific mind. This is not the place to show the ignorance of the scientists. Nonetheless, put peanut butter between a womans legs and have the dog lick. Is she not now Bi (Bi-species?)? If I have sex with a tree am I not Bi? The stimulation of senses can be accomplished by an array of stimuli. Having sex with sheep has been done, is being done, but is not necessarily a good thing.

>The value of bi-sexuality is a cop out. You are trying to limit its consequences to the species when in fact it is a much more slippery route!

>"But Dr.Freud, If all are Bi-sexual, should we not explain homosexuality to be a good thing." " Oh dear god NO. It is also a fact that everyone defecates, but you would not want them doing it in public."

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Okay... bisexuality is when you're attracted to both genders. Attraction animals is beastality. The two aren't usually connected.

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Report this Aug. 11 2011, 5:20 pm

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Report this Aug. 11 2011, 5:49 pm

Kirk may appear as straight as phaser fire, but it's pretty obvious that he has something for Spock.


I agree with DS9TREK


who cares if there are homosexual charactors? Star Trek takes place in the future, where evryone is treated equal and generally no one is frowned apon.

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Report this Aug. 11 2011, 9:12 pm

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>Love your posts lostshaker, but I do not agree about "Re"l"oined". It was not "about the story" or "the love", it was nothing more than pushing the liberal envelope on TV in a cheap ratings grab. If it was all about "the love story" all they needed to do was bring in a male and tell the story. The story could have been told without any "sex" at all.

>They had a habit of having Jadzia jump into folks pants. The guy on the vanishing planet, Worf, Lenara.... She is supposed to be this worldly fixture with 300 + years & 8 lifetimes of knowedge and savy and all she does is jump in when her tempature raises. To do this in defiance of Trill taboo, and leave Star Fleet???? .... it's just another example of the writers flaunting around a sexy woman.

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Yanks, I won't disagree that Jadzia's character disappointed. I preferred her in seasons 1 & 2 when she acted like a science officer, as opposed to her later role as DS9's romantic consultant. Actually, that's the main reason I wish Jadzia had been killed in season 3 or 4, and Ezri brought in earlier.


Anyway, I also won't argue that tv is constantly pushing a liberal approach, but "Rejoined" wasn't the ratings grab in my area. I remember several people, friends and non-friends, dropped DS9 based strictly on the commercial, without ever having watched the actual episode. Advertising wise, I can agree with your complaint, but the episode itself was a drastic departure from the previews. I'm always curous how the writers would choose to advertise their episode as opposed to the network and marketers.


Going back to "Rejoined", they could have brought in a male in an ideal world, ut the producers are budget bound. Why bring in a secondary character (I assume it wouldn't be a main character, because I don't see the potential in any of the other existing DS9 characters) when a cast member can be used? The cast member is being paid, might as well earn that paycheck.


I don't understand the comment about Dax having to leave Starfleet? Is that in reference to dialogue?

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Report this Aug. 11 2011, 11:46 pm

I think it doesn't matter that whether or not a character's gay. I never heard any labels for anyone. Gayness is a private issue, and in my humble opinion, homosexual references are nice being gay innuendoes.


I like Star Trek and I want the vulcan ears, the uniforms, the badge, the vulcan sign with my hand, etc, and I'll watch more of Star Trek, including the original, Star Trek Enterprise, Star Trek Voyager, etc.

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Report this Aug. 12 2011, 6:31 am

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>Instead of that, just don't post to me or read my posts. You are really creepy.

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My advice to you: avoid every single image board chan on the internets. Every single one is full of bronies using My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic to love and tolerate the shit outta the haters.


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Report this Aug. 12 2011, 6:40 am

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>Hey, why dont they have pregnant women on board the enterprise? I would like to see a 5 year mission where a woman is pregnant throughout the whole 5 year mission. Did pregnancys stop happening in the future?

>Once in a while I enjoy having sex with my sheep. Can we put some sheep on board the enterprise?

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Kira and Torres have both been shown with pregnancies. I think the sheep is best left alone until they get a Welshman on a crew.

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Report this Aug. 12 2011, 1:19 pm

On an episode of STNG called "Up The Long Ladder" there were Sheep on board the Enterprise D. Check it out.


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Report this Aug. 12 2011, 2:26 pm

I fully support a homosexual character on a new Star Trek series.


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Report this Aug. 12 2011, 7:09 pm

Wessley doesn't count?


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Report this Aug. 12 2011, 7:27 pm

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>Wessley doesn't count?

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As what? Gay or sheep? I don't think he's either. (Or at least, have seen no evidence to suggest as much.)


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Report this Aug. 12 2011, 11:31 pm

Okay. Yes, everyone and their grandmother would say the mind meld is used as a plot device. Very obvious.


You did ask me to spell it out.


But YOU, YOU, You have used a Particular metaphor out of a choice of one million metaphors that would be appropriate for this conversation.


Simply because the mind meld metaphor applies, however, I also referenced the Trill. It is you that focuses on the mind meld, perhaps more than need be.


You were saying that sex be it homosexual or heterosexual is fine since it is already taking place. So is Rape fine since it is already taking place??


I do not know where you arrived at me saying anything was "fine since it is already talking place." I have simply been describing what is on screen. I have actually attempted to not make any value judgements on either sexual preference, and that includes Star Trek's incorporation of it. I merely point out that DS9 slighly achieved what so many have called for.


What Spock means from PRIVATE lies is that it is not something you speak of. Thats why he never told Starfleet about it. IT IS NOT A MIND MELD.


Logic dictates that if it looks like a mind meld, sounds like a mind meld, and is even portrayed like a mind meld, then it most likely is a mind meld. And actually it WAS a mind meld as Spock even went on to demonstrate the act after giving that very description of "private".


So you think that a writer is obviously using it for a metaphor of sex and that anyone who disagrees with you (me) is a thickheaded babboon??


Spock made it clear, through dialogue, that mind melds play a role in sexual facilitation. And no, anyone who disagrees with me is not a thickhead. I merely said I was not going to be dense in reference to ignoring dialogue? Do you feel the need to project it upon yourself?


Some people are just so close minded.


One must be very closed minded to be able to ignore dialogue.


Have you at least thought that maybe it is a metaphor for humanities oneness?


Why yes I have. And as you would say, that is "obvious". But sex in itself is a oneness, a unification of form to display an emotional bond or procreation. I'll break momentarily to note that I'm largely discussing mind melds with regard to sex because of the topic. If this topic were about information gathering, I'd be perfectly fine talking about the mind meld on just those terms.


Therefore, you are justifying rape because it occurs (metaphorically right?) with the mind meld.


Where are you pulling this from? I'm not justifying rape, as I didn't write any of the episodes. The writers do, however, slip these elements in as they are valid questions and interpretations.


WE were not talking about Trek on a metaphorical level. We were speaking literally.


But again, Trek works on both. I was merely expanding the discussion, though I did provide a literal example with Jadzia Dax.


As much as you would like to think that Trek is a show for the higher types, it's not.


Well, you got me there, as you're proof of that.


Even with the many times metaphors which could have been used, he opted out.


I have to totally disagree with you on this one, as the Enterprise herself was a metaphor for united earth. It just takes a look around the bridge to see that. I will admit that the metaphor may be lost in this day and age, but it was a powerful one back in the sixties. The Doomsday Machine... the planet killer... a metaphor for nuclear bombs. At times, TOS was indeed blunt, but at other times it was subtle. I also won't say Trek is for higher types, but I will say that people are open to different concepts at different times. It doesn't have to be all at once.


What next?? Spocks vulcan nerve pinch is a metaphor for sleeping??Sorry, just a simple pinch, nothing more.


So a cigar is just a cigar, because before I thought it was a very clever way of giving someone the finger without them being able to respond in kind.


I would prefer to say that mind melding is a metaphor closer to meditating or meditating with another while spirits conjoin. AS stupid as this may sound to you it is deeply unsexual. It is the physical touching of another in order to remove any physical bonds. It is much deeper spiritually than sex. It is not just a oneness with the one you are melding with, but it is also a oneness with all intelligent life!!


Actually, we can agree on this point, as I include it in my description of a mind meld's versitility. But just as Vulcans fall prey to baser sex drives, the mind meld can be used just as crudely.

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