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Homosexual Character(s) In Star Trek?

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wissa

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Report this Aug. 09 2011, 10:17 am

there have been homosexual moments.  There just hasn't been a main character.


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Report this Aug. 09 2011, 10:29 am

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>No gays in the military (is still) my stance, no disrespect...

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Gay men and women already serve and die in the Military and for America.  

YEah Ako, what a backwards view.

Ohh and I'm gay I have the cooties



hey hey hey, chekote,

Mispelling my name does not provoke me in the least, you guys gotta think of something new for a change, buy it does advertise your immaturity,

The point of DADT and no homosexuals in the U.S. Military is not because the they are saying "eeeeee, you guys have the cooties", how immature and insulting to label our military soldiers as little brats,

It has to do with mental, physical, and spiritual readiness of our soldiers, at all times, To have no potential sexual distractions, Males and females in the military do not shower together, sleep together, change clothes in front of each other, and how often has friendship turned to intimate love? If a significant number of soldiers were openly gay, we would obviously have major problems,

It is a matter of common military sense addressing basic human instincts and avoiding problems before they have a chance to start, in the name of national security,

You need to come with me to basic training and dig me a hole!

wissa

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Report this Aug. 09 2011, 10:39 am

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>No gays in the military (is still) my stance, no disrespect...

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Gay men and women already serve and die in the Military and for America.  

YEah Ako, what a backwards view.

Ohh and I'm gay I have the cooties



hey hey hey, chekote,

Mispelling my name does not provoke me in the least, you guys gotta think of something new for a change, buy it does advertise your immaturity,

The point of DADT and no homosexuals in the U.S. Military is not because the they are saying "eeeeee, you guys have the cooties", how immature and insulting to label our military soldiers as little brats,

It has to do with mental, physical, and spiritual readiness of our soldiers, at all times, To have no potential sexual distractions, Males and females in the military do not shower together, sleep together, change clothes in front of each other, and how often has friendship turned to intimate love? If a significant number of soldiers were openly gay, we would obviously have major problems,

It is a matter of common military sense addressing basic human instincts and avoiding problems before they have a chance to start, in the name of national security,

You need to come with me to basic training and dig me a hole!


news flash. There have always been homosexuals in the military.  They just aren't breaking the law anymore.


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Report this Aug. 09 2011, 10:43 am

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>No gays in the military (is still) my stance, no disrespect...

Gay men and women already serve and die in the Military and for America.  

YEah Ako, what a backwards view.

Ohh and I'm gay I have the cooties



hey hey hey, chekote,

Mispelling my name does not provoke me in the least, you guys gotta think of something new for a change, buy it does advertise your immaturity,

The point of DADT and no homosexuals in the U.S. Military is not because the they are saying "eeeeee, you guys have the cooties", how immature and insulting to label our military soldiers as little brats,

It has to do with mental, physical, and spiritual readiness of our soldiers, at all times, To have no potential sexual distractions, Males and females in the military do not shower together, sleep together, change clothes in front of each other, and how often has friendship turned to intimate love? If a significant number of soldiers were openly gay, we would obviously have major problems,

It is a matter of common military sense addressing basic human instincts and avoiding problems before they have a chance to start, in the name of national security,

You need to come with me to basic training and dig me a hole!

wissa

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Report this Aug. 09 2011, 1:56 pm

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>a homosexual male has only one choice with anal sex and i do feel sorry for them but i can understand that they do

>along the anal canal is a special protective layer of skin to shield the large number of nerve endings there and after erosion of that protective skin layer after a couple of painful anal sex experiences the nerve endings become exposed and the person quickly becomes addicted to the act

>now if a so called bi-sexual man who has a choice between the shit canal and a warm juicy sexually aroused vagina and decides 'hey i like both' is probably doing it to manipulate and control that woman

>imagine the woman was in love with a man that always chose the vagina and someone else got her addicted to anal sex

>there is no such thing as a bisexual male and those that claim to be have alterior motives unlike male homosexuals which i do not condone but do not judge either just because of orientation

>somewhere in exodus it states that 'no man shall have sexual relations with another man and no man AND NO WOMAN shall have sexual relations with an animal' at a time when many men had two or three (bisexual) wives

>that is the concept behind it because it is not the love between people that is the problem but anal sex because it is a form of manipulation and mind control

>dont worry me though because after one weekend with me doing the old fashioned 'male erectoid flowing with the female vaginal wrappings' and she will be ever more pleading for more of the same and have no more time or want for anal sex guaranteed

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anal sex?

How revolting

There are no pleasure sensors in the butt. It makes no logical sense to invade an orifice that was designed for pooping only

 

 


you could say the same thing about a mouth but you'll never get a straight man to argue that now will you?


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Report this Aug. 09 2011, 2:06 pm

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>"you could say the same thing about a mouth but you'll never get a straight man to argue that now will you? "

>Wow. So it's just straight men that get oral?? Thats new to me.

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of course not.  But presumably all of you who are claiming anal sex is so unnatural are straight.  Oral sex isn't natural either.  In face it is often included  in sodomy laws.


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Report this Aug. 09 2011, 2:13 pm

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>You said that you can not get a straight man to argue with you about oral sex.

>But can't you be gay and say that anal sex is unnatural??

>Can't you be a woman and also receive oral sex??

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of course.  But why not have people arguing that oral sex is unnatural too?  That's not what mouths were made for you know.


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Report this Aug. 09 2011, 2:28 pm

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>Right! But that was not your point. Your point, obviously, was that STRAIGHT men are arguing because they enjoy oral..... In other words, you are assuming that we are bias because we are straight men. As if women and Gay men are not bias in their own favor.

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of course we are all biased.  Why would I think otherwise.


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Report this Aug. 09 2011, 2:59 pm

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>Gays in the military

>A hostile enemy will love that

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but they have them too.


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Report this Aug. 09 2011, 3:03 pm

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>There are no pleasure sensors in the butt. It makes no logical sense to invade an orifice that was designed for pooping only


Men have prostates.

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Report this Aug. 09 2011, 5:19 pm

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>Personally on the subject of other people having consensual anal sex, I tend to think, "Ah, whatever." Not something I want to watch, but it's not something they would necessarily show on Star Trek (or even necessarily have.)

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WTF>lol  I do not have a problem with them showing anal sex on tv but then thats what the kids are watching and they can be the curious minds. It's been a fight for many years to even have two males kiss on live tv let alone have them preforming a sexual act, that will never happen in this generation; peoples liberties are at stake and I'm sure they would have no problem boycotting the show. That's why there is television censorship and notes from the sponsors because their afraid of getting sued.


Just to clarify: I said it's not something I want to watch. Not because I'm particularly offended -- but I tend to get bored by sex-scenes on TV.


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Report this Aug. 09 2011, 7:17 pm

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It has to do with mental, physical, and spiritual readiness of our soldiers, at all times, To have no potential sexual distractions, Males and females in the military do not shower together, sleep together, change clothes in front of each other, and how often has friendship turned to intimate love? If a significant number of soldiers were openly gay, we would obviously have major problems,

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   This is not a question of whether or not I agree or that I prefer we use certain terms.  The simple fact is gays have been in the military are in the military and will most likely always be in the military. 

 Army Corporal Andrew Wilfahrt – Died February 17 2011 


 


 


He came out to his parents at age 16. At the age of 29 he joined the Army. Everyone he went to basic training with knew very well Andrew was a gay man. Nobody in his platoon had any problem with it he was there to fight and stand tall next to everyone else he was respected with many friends and the younger people looked up to him. While in Afghanistan on patrol he stepped on a roadside bomb the blast sent him into a river where his buddies dragged him out both legs missing and an arm hanging by little pieces of skin he was dead and he was gay and these men looked up to him.


 This was a good man who voluntarily served his country with honor and respect.


 


 


 


 

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Report this Aug. 09 2011, 9:43 pm

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To hazard a guess, there's a decent chance that he told them so. Or never bothered to keep it a secret.


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Report this Aug. 10 2011, 4:23 am

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There have been many articles about Andrew since his death. They have interviewed some of the soldiers and they talked openly about Andrew, And I personally know one man who went to through basic training With Andrew and was 20 feet away from him when the bomb exploded and the first person to help retrieve the body.   He had nothing to hide and lived his life openly as a gay man. I’ll add that he was not the kind of person who was in your face “this is who I am” as described to me the same reason he knew people were heterosexual talking about their lives.

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Report this Aug. 10 2011, 12:14 pm

Homosexuality has already been included numerous times as a facet of a character without it being the defining characteristic. But many people are too dense, even when Star Trek spells it out. In the mirror universe, Kira was bisexual; Ezri was homosexual, as was Leeta (presumably, though she could also have been bisexual). But some scream it's a mirror universe, and so homosexuality is still being presented as a distortion. I don't see how it's a distortion when both the good guys and bad guys perform the act.


So let's consider the primary universe, specifically the Trill. "Rejoined" exemplifies how homosexuality is incorporated into a character's nature, in this case Jadzia Dax, without being the defining characteristic. Ironically, it is often glossed over as some chant "Star Trek needs a gay character." Well, Jadzia Dax surpassed it to become a bisexual character. It is unbelievable that a host would condone a relationship with a secondary individual simply because the symbiont has an attachment, especially an attachment that is taboo. One would think Jadzia would have to already be open to such a relationship in order to violate a deep seeded taboo such as reassociation. "Rejoined" is even more brilliant, because homosexuality isn't even the issue at hand. But because Star Trek was subtle, some ignore it because they aren't slapped in the face with it.


In consideration of Trill Society, reassociation is a taboo, which according to Bashir, is violated on occasion. So it seems logical that hosts and symbionts find themselves in both heterosexual and homosexual relationships. Symionts clearly don't discriminate between male and female hosts, as the Dax Symbiont passed from female to male hosts on numerous occassions. And since Trill spend a great deal of time studying to be hosts, that is they nearly worship the symbionts, it is unlikely the society would have an aversion to homosexuality.


Homosexuality is clearly accepted in Star Trek, because the homosexual aspect of Jadzia's and Lenara's relationship was never a point of contension. Even Kira, who's a wormhole/prophet religious nut, thought the reassociation taboo was insane.


So given the above, I hear and read people say Star Trek doesn't have a gay character I can relate to. If homosexuality is one facet to the character, what about all the other aspects that make a character three dimensional? Honor, intelligence, the desire to better oneself? Are these not relatable qualities? I'd rather watch and relate to the latter than someone's sexual preference, whether it be heterosexual or homosexual. Star Trek could have a gay character, and that character could still be unrelatable. Star Trek has had many heterosexual relationships that were unrelatable - Worf & Troi? Seven of Nine & Chakotay? (Admittedly, TNG did a better job of solidifying the Worf/Troi romance as a plot point for "All Good Things"). Look at the Star Wars trilogy - Anakin & Padme were so terribly unbelievable and fake that I would've preferred Obi-Wan and Anakin as a couple. Many on these boards complain that the 24th Century characters became unrelatable with their quest for perfection. I believe this to be nonsenese, but the point is that having a gay character doesn't automatically mean that the character will be relatable. DS9 already did it, and correctly.


One must also consider the Vulcan mind meld. It is a far more intimate act than sex. Spock noted that he and his father never chose to meld, but men mind melding with other men is clearly on the table. T'Pol and T'Pau melded in ENT. Kirk and Sarek melded in TSFS. Think of all the personal information that's being shared. And not only are you sharing your own information, but the personal information from others (who've undergone mind melding with that same person) is being shared too (brings new meaning to a child catching their parents in bed).


As for Doctor Who and Torchwood... Doctor Who is good, but not great about dealing with homosexuality. I enjoy watching Captain Jack more on DW than on Torchwood, which I can't stand even the heterosexual relationships in it.


 

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