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Homosexual Character(s) In Star Trek?

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Zaltar

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Report this Aug. 07 2011, 11:03 pm

What are your thoughts on the addition of homosexual characters to the future Star Trek universe (films or television)? Because of my beliefs, my feelings on homosexuality are different from the secular worldly view, I am curious to get your opinion on this topic.


 


 


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Report this Aug. 07 2011, 11:15 pm

It would be cool, conditionally.


The condition being: Don't make it the main selling point for the character -- he or she would need to be more than just "That gay lieutenant" or whatever else.


Give us at the very least, a solid, well-rounded, non-token character. (Or characters -- no wurries either way.)


Have you ever danced with a Tribble in the pale moonlight?

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Report this Aug. 08 2011, 12:17 am

A homosexual character could be interesting, but I completely agree with OtakuJo, don't make their defining attribute the fact that they're gay.
Also, don't center all the stories revolving around them about their gay relations. Some of them, sure, but don't go over the top.
The writers should show that in the future, humanity has no problem whatsoever with sexuality and barely notice if someone is gay or not. Similar to the way today that no one notices or really cares what colour you are (in most cases and places).

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Report this Aug. 08 2011, 4:05 am

You should try watching Doctor Who and Torchwood, very gay friendly shows

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Report this Aug. 08 2011, 11:21 am

No gays in the military (is still) my stance, no disrespect...

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Report this Aug. 08 2011, 1:01 pm

I believe that we should have the element of homosexual characters in Star Trek, but yes, it should not be the central piont of the character.  If Star Trek is what is claims to be, the search for new life and exploration, then why can't there be an understanding of different types of sexuality.  One does not choose to be homosexual, it's just the way a person is.  Just the same as one cannot change the color of their skin or their height, one cannot change whether they are straight, gay, or somewhere inbetween.


We've seen an understanding and acceptance of different culture, religion, race, etc.  How is homosexuality any different?

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Report this Aug. 08 2011, 3:15 pm

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>if i am sexually aroused and i have a choice between a warm juicy passion place and the crap canal and choose the latter then i have a screw loose so by that time homosexuality would be extinct it cannot survive forever

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It's lasted for millions of years.


It will very likely last for millions more.


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Report this Aug. 08 2011, 3:15 pm

I'm surprised homosexuality is still an issue to anyone. Next we'll have a thread asking whether Star Trek should have a mixed race couple.

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Report this Aug. 08 2011, 3:27 pm

Quote: Ayko @ Aug. 08 2011, 11:21 am

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>No gays in the military (is still) my stance, no disrespect...

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Gay men and women already serve and die in the Military and for America.  

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Report this Aug. 08 2011, 5:05 pm

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>"I'm surprised homosexuality is still an issue to anyone."

>Come Come now. Are you really?

>"Watch him honor his false ignorance, the highest beginning, preparing salvos of thunderous applause, the spring is set, now he seeks for the mouse with claws"                                                                                                      

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Yes I am surprised. But in my defence I'm British, and like Mini_J said earlier, our TV shows are more homosexual-friendly. I suppose our society in general is too.

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Report this Aug. 08 2011, 5:34 pm

I don't see anything wrong with having a homosexual character, but like others have said, don't make the character like "I'M GAY I'M GAY I'M GAY" all the time.

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Report this Aug. 08 2011, 6:07 pm


Our world is still dealing with a great number of issues such as homosexuality, political difference, racism, cultural issues, etc.  We’ve seen these things in Star Trek as well.  One episode of TNG, “The Outcast”, the Enterprise visits a planet with a race of humanoids that are androgynous.  We find out though that some of the people of this race feel they are female or male.  It is actually looked down upon in their culture to be this way.  Riker even falls for one of the people that believes she is female.  We have similar issues with transsexuals now.  We also have seen that Trills don’t mind homosexuality.  The doctor mentions that Species 8472 may have as many as 5 sexes.  Can you imagine the sexual dynamics of that species?  These are just a few of the instances of sexual diversity.


With the topic of interspecies and multi-racial relationships, we have quite a few on Star Trek.  Worf & Dax, Kes & Nellix, Kira & Odo, Rom & Leeta, Worf & Troi, B’Elanna & Paris, Spock & Uhura (in the new Star Trek Movie), just to name a few.  Dax was known to have dated many different species including the captain with the transparent head.  There are also holographic relationships.  The Doctor was known to have at least one romantic relationship and we know he fantasized about more.  Captain Janeway had a relationship with the hologram from New Haven.  With so many possibilities out there, is it truly that hard to see the possibility of homosexual relationships? 


I understand how anal sex can make some people uncomfortable, but not homosexuals participate in anal sex.  Whether they do or not is irrelevant.  There are many straight couples that participate in anal sex.  Klingon sex is well known to be strange and a bit dangerous.  Not to mention that in Star Trek they don’t really show intimate sex scenes, so it doesn’t really matter.  We should be more interested in the interpersonal relationship.  How do they deal with differences and commonalities?  What made them fall in love?


Greed, lust, violence, gluttony, & prejudice are all still part of the Star Trek Universe.  The idea that homosexuality would be extinct in the future is preposterous.  As OtakuJo said, “It's lasted for millions of years.  It will very likely last for millions more.  Also homosexuality does not occur just in humans.  There are many different species of animals that exhibit homosexual behavior.  The New Mexico whiptail (Cnemidophorus neomexicanus) is a female-only species and that engages in "mock mating" with other members of its own species, giving rise to the common nickname "lesbian lizards".  A common theory is that this behavior stimulates ovulation, as those who do not "mate" do not lay eggs.


In doing a little research, even some of the cast has requested for a gay character to be put into Star Trek.  In 2002, Kate Mulgrew (who played Captain Janeway) gave an interview to Metrosource where she spoke candidly about the issue of LGBT characters in the Star Trek television universe.


“[...] because of its both political and potentially incendiary substance. I'm in a minority as well, as a woman. It took a lot of courage on their part to hire a woman. I think that right up until the end they were very dubious about it. It's one thing to cast a subordinate Black, Asian or woman, but to put them in leading role means the solid endorsement of one of the largest studios in the world. And that goes for a gay character as well. It requires a terrific social conscience on their part and the pledge of some solidarity and unanimity, which I think is probably at the source of most of this problem to get every one of those executives on board regarding this decision.”[13]


That same year Mulgrew was even more blunt about the topic in an August 2002 interview for Out in America:


“Well, one would think that Hollywood would be more open-minded at this point, since essentially the whole town is run by the gay community. It makes very little sense if you think about it. No, Star Trek is very strangely by the book in this regard. Rick Berman, who is a very sagacious man, has been very firm about certain things. I've approached him many, many times over the years about getting a gay character on the show — one whom we could really love, not just a guest star. Y'know, we had blacks, Asians, we even had a handicapped character — and so I thought, this is now beginning to look a bit absurd. And he said, "In due time." And so, I'm suspecting that on Enterprise they will do something to this effect. I couldn't get it done on mine. And I am sorry for that.”[14]


There is a whole section about the LGBT relationships and what has been done on Star Trek here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_in_Star_Trek.  Honestly Star Trek is several hundred years in the future and our society is supposed to have laid down our differences.  I would hope that homosexuality would be one of those differences that are laid aside.  Maybe we haven’t seen much homosexuality in Star Trek, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.  Just as interspecies and inter-racial relationships are common place, I would believe the same of homosexuality.

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Report this Aug. 08 2011, 10:48 pm

Quote: DS9TREK @ Aug. 08 2011, 3:15 pm

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>I'm surprised homosexuality is still an issue to anyone. Next we'll have a thread asking whether Star Trek should have a mixed race couple.

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The difference there is that Star Trek already has several mixed-species couples.



Note to all who have expressed an aversion to anal sex: That is not the only way to express romance. Star Trek actually shows a lot in the way of romance, and very little actual sex. What there is, is generally implied more than shown. Having a homosexual character on Star Trek would not automatically amount to sodomy, if that is where you find a problem.


Personally on the subject of other people having consensual anal sex, I tend to think, "Ah, whatever." Not something I want to watch, but it's not something they would necessarily show on Star Trek (or even necessarily have.)


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Report this Aug. 09 2011, 3:37 am

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>All ready more than enough gay people on TV , in siccoms.

>BTW Spock comes across as a queer and always has been that way. Prefers to hang out with his man-friends and I don't recall ever seeing him show an interest in a female character other than on a professional level.

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Spock slept with Savvik in ST:III.


/ He also showed an interest in Zarabeth in All Our Ysterdays.

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Report this Aug. 09 2011, 10:00 am

Quote: lligevets @ Aug. 08 2011, 3:27 pm

Quote: Ayko @ Aug. 08 2011, 11:21 am

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>No gays in the military (is still) my stance, no disrespect...

Gay men and women already serve and die in the Military and for America.  



Yes to keep the masses quiet, but fine if you prefer, DADT for Starfleet as well including the audience...

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