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Report this Jul. 28 2011, 5:09 pm

Any thoughts about this two-parter? I never really liked this episode much, and I don't know why. It's probably because Captain Ransom disturbs me somehow. But who knows. What about you?


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michaela.lyktberg

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Report this Jul. 29 2011, 6:23 am

Same here, my mind tells me that it is a good apisode but for some unclear reason I can't like it!


Not to fond of that Ransom guy either..


 

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Report this Jul. 29 2011, 7:23 pm

Before this epsiode aired,i always thinking wouldnt it be good if voyager came across a other federation starship or a alpha quadrant species or a colony of alpha quadrant species.dont only ddi we get this 2 parter but we also the klingons as well.

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Report this Jul. 30 2011, 2:45 pm

This is one of my favorite Voyager episodes/two-parters. I actually red the novelization before I ever saw it. I did regret that Ransom and Janeway had to be so diametrically opposed. And I sympathize with Ransom because I don't believe in the "All Captain's are perfect" concept. There are some decisions Janeway made in this episode with which I do not agree. But they definately fit her character.


Janeway held her mixed crew together by being strickly Starfleet by the book. Ransom's crew was held together by their personal loyalty to one another. . .reminicient of Kirk and crew (i.e. Sulu's willingness to violate orders and Klingon territory to assist Kirk and company).


What Ransom did was wrong. No one is perfect. But Janeway could have handled it differently and they could have had two ships. That would have ruined the show, so. . .

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Report this Jul. 31 2011, 12:10 am

Im curious, which of Janeway's decisions did you not agree with?


 


And how could she have handled it differently?


 


 

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Report this Jul. 31 2011, 3:56 am

I've only read the novel of this not being a big fan of Voyager due to the bad storylines but I do like how Ransom had modified the EMH so it resembled more a EMH from the mirror universe in it's attitude to life and did not have the hippoctatic oath to uphold

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Report this Jul. 31 2011, 11:29 am

  this two-parter kicked butt


 

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Report this Jul. 31 2011, 2:05 pm

I've said it before and I'll say it again...I love when the doctor plays a bad guy.


I liked these episodes. I thought they were good. They touched on some critical issues.


Killing life forms to power your ship just to get home...interesting concept. Did they kill the life forms because they needed power or because it would get them home faster? I forget.


Who here thinks Janeway would have had that officer killed by the life form if he didn't crack? Damn Chakotay had to meddle and save him.


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Report this Jul. 31 2011, 6:04 pm

I liked it because it was Raw and Real for me. Although I never had anything against Janeway (and in fact I admire Mulgrew for making an almost mary Sue character likable), but her totally gun ho, too much luck and tomany things going right style never sat well with me.


I like that Ransom showed me how someone other than Janeway could crack under the preasure. Again, they were just a small science vessel when compared to Voyager, and yes his actions were heineous, but again it should what Janeway could have been had she given in to her inner desires early on.


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Report this Aug. 01 2011, 2:17 am

Quote: Nine of One @ Jul. 31 2011, 2:05 pm

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>Who here thinks Janeway would have had that officer killed by the life form if he didn't crack? Damn Chakotay had to meddle and save him.

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I had forgotten that that scene was from these episodes! Janeway was so awesome and cruel, seemed to me that she took this very personally. Maybe she saw her darker self in Ransom and his crew and therefore reacted so strongly? Like when you are accused of something and it is true then you react with anger, if there is no truth to the accusations then you just don't care.


 


It seemed as if she meant it and I understand how chocked Chakotay was, so was I!


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Report this Aug. 01 2011, 6:56 pm

What season are these episodes in? I just started season 3.


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michaela.lyktberg

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Report this Aug. 01 2011, 10:42 pm

Quote: Beershark @ Aug. 01 2011, 6:56 pm

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>What season are these episodes in? I just started season 3.

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Last ep of season 5, and first ep of season 6.


-I never realised yout thought of me as reckless, Tuvok. -A poor choice of words. It was clearly an understatement.

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Report this Aug. 12 2011, 2:01 pm

Ummm this episode... it was fine, I liked it better than Unimatirix Zero but something...


The portrayal of Janeway by the writiers wasn't completely off, she's been obcessive about the safety and Starfleet principles before but the whole Noah Lessing near murder thing was too much.


I get that it was drama and I'm was all for giving Chakotay something to do since they seem to forget about him near the end with Wonder Janeway and Techno Twins the Doctor and Seven. But it seemed so out of character to the point that even if it was the writers intent to be out of character it felt wrong. Moreover any attempt at what I'm assuming is tragic irony with her whole Equinox fit only to have her step out of bounds to redeem Starfleet and humanity was umm... excessive.


And in my opinion the beginning of an over the top protective get my crew home Janeway that dominted the last years of the series to the point of diverging from a more reasonable but none the less determined Janeway.

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Report this Aug. 13 2011, 5:14 am

John Savage was brilliant in these two episodes. Also shows what one compromise to ethics would do in the long run

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Report this Aug. 13 2011, 8:21 am

To be frank, the fact that Ransom used these lifeforms in order to power his ship is not that shocking, given that he may not initially have known that they were intelligent. And once he knew they were, he may have been desperate enough to compromise his principles in order to get his crew back to the Alpha Quadrant. His ship, unlike Voyager, was not powerful enough to fight all the battles that Janeway had to.


Like many others, I was disturbed by the fact that Janeway was prepared to go so far so as to threaten someone's life, just to protect Starfleet principles, which she also ignored on occasion. For example, her alliance with the Borg against species 8472 is just as unStarfleet as Ransom using lifeforms to power his ship. It seems to me, that both Captains were trying to survive so that they could get home. I don't think she was in a position to teach Ransom a lesson. The writers did take this one a little too far.

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