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God is dead

Kornula

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Report this Jul. 25 2011, 2:04 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_dead


 


Its in wikipedia so it has to be true!

Beershark

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Report this Jul. 25 2011, 4:50 pm

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> There is considerably more physical, objective proof for the existence of a real 'Robin Hood', than there ever will be for that of a god of any kind.

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WHAT? Are you saying there was no Robin Hood? Next you'll be saying there was no King Arther.


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easytntrekkie

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Report this Jul. 25 2011, 5:14 pm

The Big Bang would violate Einsteins law of reletivity. So then where did the universe come from?

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Report this Jul. 25 2011, 6:02 pm

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>The Big Bang would violate Einsteins law of reletivity. So then where did the universe come from?

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Citation for the first claim, please.


Even if true, and we don't actually know *where* the matter of the universe came from, that doesn't automatic imply the existence of a god, let alone the Christian god.


Every year, as our knowledge grows, the god of the gaps has fewer gaps to hide in.

OtakuJo

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Report this Jul. 25 2011, 8:06 pm

Since "Dead" means "No longer alive", then something which has never been alive cannot be dead.


Have you ever danced with a Tribble in the pale moonlight?

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Report this Jul. 25 2011, 8:58 pm

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>Since "Dead" means "No longer alive", then something which has never been alive cannot be dead.

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 Good point.


BTW, I believe in God.  He gave me my beautiful twins and my lovely wife and so many other blessings.  If some people find that illogical and wish to denigrate me for believing in the Lord (and despite my scientific background), so be it.  It'd be nice to have a bit of respect and consideration, but I've grown to realize that some people weren't raised or don't believe in those values and morals, so what can you do?


Dr. H


 


KHAAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!!

OtakuJo

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Report this Jul. 25 2011, 11:59 pm

Truespock I'm sure that Rocketscientist's remarks were never aimed at you. We have not had a very good history here with religion-based threads in the past and they have a tendency to degenerate.


Have you ever danced with a Tribble in the pale moonlight?

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Report this Jul. 26 2011, 3:50 am

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>Since "Dead" means "No longer alive", then something which has never been alive cannot be dead.

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 Good point.

BTW, I believe in God.  He gave me my beautiful twins and my lovely wife and so many other blessings.  If some people find that illogical and wish to denigrate me for believing in the Lord (and despite my scientific background), so be it.  It'd be nice to have a bit of respect and consideration, but I've grown to realize that some people weren't raised or don't believe in those values and morals, so what can you do?

Dr. H

 

 

No one here is coming even remotely close to showing you either disrespect or lack of consideration, Dr. H.  Certainly no one has denigrated you.  I have merely stated a position which disagrees with yours.  Ultimately, it is no more or less potentially valid than yours.  We have each chosen what we are most personally comfortable with, but there will never be any proof for either stance.

I have a lovely wife too.  She is my third, after the second one--to whom I was married for 25 years--suddenly dropped dead of undiagnosed cancer.  I have children as well, that I regard as the expected outcome of a natural biological process.  I was born blind, but that has not stopped me from earning three PhD's and maintaing a thirty plus year career as both a clinical psychologist and a university professor of psychology, philosophy, physics and calculus.

Did God help me overcome my handicap to achieve what I have in my life? Absolutely not!  I've had to scratch and claw for everything I've ever gotten, working ten times harder at it than a sighted person would have!

Did God curse me with blindness, or 'allow' my late wife to develop cancer? Equally ridiculous.  These types of things are simply traceable genetic luck of the draw...nothing more.

You see?  Neat, clean, easy, quantifiable, predictable; scientifically, an air tight package.  If you choose to believe in God, it's surely no skin off MY nose, but don't you DARE whine to me that I'm disrespecting you, or question my values or morals, just because I have selected another path.

Dr. W

  Dude your fist post in this thread was that God only exist in the minds of people who need a crutch implying that all people who believe in god are weak minded.  You further went on to say insisting god exisits is illogical implying that all people who believe god exists are also illogical.  Please if you really don't care try not to post things like that it gives the wrong impresstion.


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Report this Jul. 26 2011, 6:17 am

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>How can something that never existed, is an invention, die ?

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The series just ran it's course.  Sort of like Harry Potter.


 

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Report this Jul. 26 2011, 6:19 am

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>For those who wish God dead its all in their heads

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I didn't know we had members of the Muslim Brotherhood on these threads.


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Report this Jul. 26 2011, 7:18 am

 



Spirituality


 


You don’t have to believe in the Christian God to achieve spirituality. In fact people whom practice wica , Buddhism, and yoga achieve a higher understanding of self when meditating.  Many people equate spirituality with believing in God and go their entire life not realizing what’s been lost.  It doesn’t matter if you believe in a god or no God or even multiple Gods the mind is a terrible thing to waste why not try to achieve a sense of purpose and understanding as an individual.

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Report this Jul. 26 2011, 7:27 am

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>Since "Dead" means "No longer alive", then something which has never been alive cannot be dead.

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 Good point.

BTW, I believe in God.  He gave me my beautiful twins and my lovely wife and so many other blessings.  If some people find that illogical and wish to denigrate me for believing in the Lord (and despite my scientific background), so be it.  It'd be nice to have a bit of respect and consideration, but I've grown to realize that some people weren't raised or don't believe in those values and morals, so what can you do?

Dr. H

 

 

No one here is coming even remotely close to showing you either disrespect or lack of consideration, Dr. H.  Certainly no one has denigrated you.  I have merely stated a position which disagrees with yours.  Ultimately, it is no more or less potentially valid than yours.  We have each chosen what we are most personally comfortable with, but there will never be any proof for either stance.

I have a lovely wife too.  She is my third, after the second one--to whom I was married for 25 years--suddenly dropped dead of undiagnosed cancer.  I have children as well, that I regard as the expected outcome of a natural biological process.  I was born blind, but that has not stopped me from earning three PhD's and maintaing a thirty plus year career as both a clinical psychologist and a university professor of psychology, philosophy, physics and calculus.

Did God help me overcome my handicap to achieve what I have in my life? Absolutely not!  I've had to scratch and claw for everything I've ever gotten, working ten times harder at it than a sighted person would have!

Did God curse me with blindness, or 'allow' my late wife to develop cancer? Equally ridiculous.  These types of things are simply traceable genetic luck of the draw...nothing more.

You see?  Neat, clean, easy, quantifiable, predictable; scientifically, an air tight package.  If you choose to believe in God, it's surely no skin off MY nose, but don't you DARE whine to me that I'm disrespecting you, or question my values or morals, just because I have selected another path.

Dr. W


I didn't say that you were disrepecting me, Dr. W.  There have been some on this forum that I would characterize as bigots, but I don't know you and I didn't and don't consider you one.  I definitely was not thinking of you or your post when I wrote what I did.  I hope that's clear.


And I certainly respect your pov as well.  I don't have a problem with atheists or agnostics.  One of my best friends is one and I love him like a bro.  I was just speaking out against bigotry in general.  I believe people shouldn't be denigrated or belittled for their particular faith or lack thereof. 


Very sorry to hear about struggles and the death of your wife.  I hope you believe that I wish you the best. 


Dr. H


 


KHAAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!!

rocketscientist

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Report this Jul. 26 2011, 7:42 am

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>Truespock I'm sure that Rocketscientist's remarks were never aimed at you. We have not had a very good history here with religion-based threads in the past and they have a tendency to degenerate.

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Thankyou, OtakuJo.  You're right, my remarks were definitely not aimed at TrueSpock.


KHAAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!!

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Report this Jul. 26 2011, 11:32 am

 


A member of the French Academy of Sciences stated "Natural order was not invented by the human mind or set up by certain perceptive powers..The existence of order presupposes the existence of organizing intelligence.Such intelligence can be none other than GOD'S." Something CAN'T come from nothing..God's creation is all over the universe.

Ezri Janeway

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Report this Jul. 26 2011, 11:56 am

The problem with believing in a specific god is it makes some people say stupid things.


Adam and Eve is taken as fact when science and biology clearly shows beyond doubt that inbreeding wouldnt have gotten us this far.


Spiritual people tend to accept 'whatever' is out there and live this life as if it is their only shot, rather than wasting time waiting to die and get something better. Im spiritual and maybe everyone is right in some way or no one is right. If I do die and become worm food at least I will have lived with compassion. Many religious people are the same too, but many others have very narrow minds and if there was a god Im pretty sure he/she/it wouldnt want that.


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