ATTENTION: The Boards will be closed permanently on May 28th, 2014. Posting will be disabled on April 28th, 2014. More Info

Enterprise F

leroybrock

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 213

Report this Jan. 11 2012, 11:45 am

My favorite ship design is a tie between the Miranda and Nebula class. Things could be done to make each better but as is I feel like both have a better "feeling" form than most of the rest.

The Enterprise from movies I-VI didn't care much for having red nacelles and I heard no complaints from anyone. I would greatly prefer the JJ Enterprise to have red nacelles because of my personal color preference as well as a thicker neck and pylons but I live with what I can get.

I don't hate the Galaxy at all. They didn't push the saucer separation in our face too often, I can live with the kind of imbalanced goofiness of it and it's still my beloved Star Trek. The original Constitution, the JJ Enterprise, the Galaxy and even the weird little Defiant.

PeepsMcJuggs

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 409

Report this Jan. 11 2012, 12:52 pm

I'm honestly having a real hard time figuring out why people so heatedly hate the design.  It's not my favorite, and I think the nacelles are excessively long, but it's not a bad design either.


First off, Mathias, about your whole "Jeffries had aerospace experience" rant: it's a spaceship, dude.  It doesn't have to be aerodynamicially sound.  And the Rule of Cool will always win out over the KISS principle.


As for the double-neck design of the F...what's so wrong with that?  Based on your opinion of what makes a good ship, seems to me like it'd provide better structural stability to have two support struts than a single-neck, as well as provide a better degree of coverage by the navigational deflector than you get with the E or Voyager's no-neck design.


As for looking like an amalgam of the E and Voyager...doesn't that kind of make sense from an in-universe standpoint?  That ship design is a natural evolution of the designs that came before?  I mean that's what pretty much every other STO ship is: a way for people to fly their favorite starship, and still give them a way to make it their own?


As a final point, I'm with leroy: I've always loved the Miranda and Nebula classes.  I fell in love with the Miranda in particular after playing a lot of Starfleet Academy in my youth: it was so much fun taking down cruisers much bigger than me by using my maneuverability to hit them with fore and after torpedo tubes before they could get a single salvo off.


I Borg'd yo mama last night. She found it very assimilating.

leroybrock

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 213

Report this Jan. 11 2012, 1:23 pm

As far as the 2-neck thing thing goes I'd have to ask "Why did you take that bit in the middle out?" Its not about being aero or aquadynamic is it? Surely if you left that space filled in you could have piled some auxilliary batteries in there for the shields if you couldn't think of anything better to do with it.

PeepsMcJuggs

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 409

Report this Jan. 11 2012, 3:13 pm

Quote: leroybrock @ Jan. 11 2012, 1:23 pm

>As far as the 2-neck thing thing goes I'd have to ask "Why did you take that bit in the middle out?" Its not about being aero or aquadynamic is it? Surely if you left that space filled in you could have piled some auxilliary batteries in there for the shields if you couldn't think of anything better to do with it.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuleOfCool


I Borg'd yo mama last night. She found it very assimilating.

Matthias Russell

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 7705

Report this Jan. 11 2012, 3:24 pm

The 2 necks just make no sense because, as I've said, Starfleet has been phasing out the necks then **boom** 2.  The neck was there to seperate the hulls and allow seperation in an emergency.  Now that starship design has matured, there is no need for the neck at all as we've seen in the Sovereign and Vesta.


As to aerospace engineering experience, notice there is a "space" in aerospace.  The engineering training isn't just about aerodynamics, it also includes structural design experience.  Aero"space" engineers today design spacecraft. 


I understand the Rule of Cool, I just think the Abramsprise and 1701-FAIL don't look cool.  Although I do admit the Abramsprise does reflect modern aestetic values and can appreciate that, I still don't like the beer brewery engine room and think the secondary hull should look more like the original's.

Matthias Russell

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 7705

Report this Jan. 11 2012, 3:30 pm



And this "F" looks very unoriginal to me.  I swear this guy not only used Probert's Ambassador class as inspiration but mostly copied it.  Revolutionary?  No.  It is a refit of an old and rejected design.  I certainly don't approve of and like plagarism.


Matthias Russell

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 7705

Report this Jan. 11 2012, 3:41 pm

As for Abrams, he could have done something like this to modernize the classic while keeping it faithful to the original, much like BSG did with Galactica:



http://media.photobucket.com/image/modern%20original%20series%20enterprise/NX-47/Trek%2520related/enterprise_orbit_800.jpg

Mitchz95

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 1830

Report this Jan. 11 2012, 7:36 pm

^ Wow, that's awesome. I would have been THRILLED if the Abramsprise looked like that.


"The future is in the hands of those who explore... And from all the beauty they discover while crossing perpetually receding frontiers, they develop for nature and for humankind an infinite love." - Jacques Yves Cousteau

Denebian Slime Devil

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 23

Report this Jan. 14 2012, 2:39 pm

I ended up changing my mind about this one after the contest ended:


http://crossovercomic.com/media/extras/fuzzymodem/1701-f_800a.jpg


I didn't care for it when I saw the YouTube video. I think it was pretty rough back then, but the artist got some input from Andrew Probert and he's been tweaking it since. I think that's^ the most recent version.


Seeing how they've streamlined and strengthened the lines of the contest winner, I'd love to have seen what they'd have done with this one. I think it had a lot more potential.

Code 47

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 57

Report this Jan. 14 2012, 5:52 pm

[quote]


I ended up changing my mind about this one after the contest ended:


http://crossovercomic.com/media/extras/fuzzymodem/1701-f_800a.jpg


I didn't care for it when I saw the YouTube video. I think it was pretty rough back then, but the artist got some input from Andrew Probert and he's been tweaking it since. I think that's^ the most recent version.


Seeing how they've streamlined and strengthened the lines of the contest winner, I'd love to have seen what they'd have done with this one. I think it had a lot more potential.


[/quote]


 


I, actaully, can stand the design of the Enterprise F sort of after taking a look at the stardrive section of the USS Enterprise B, I almost puked my breakfast, lunch, and dinner out. Very poor design from the sleek original.


 


I liked the one above me. It would be a proud addition to the cannon design.


 

Matthias Russell

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 7705

Report this Jan. 14 2012, 10:21 pm

I liked that design, though not for the F.  However, I would have much preferred it to that the Failure they chose.  The design above looks futuristic at least.  The winner looks like an early 24th century reject.


 


And at least this artist got input from Probert instead of flat out copying him.


guillermo.mejía

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 2852

Report this Jan. 18 2012, 9:52 am

The ship posted above is a nice design. Though it goes against the longer ship/shorter neck idea that Enterprise designers seem to favor. I get chills whenever I have to envision the J....


 


"Aye. And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon." - Scotty, The Miracle Worker since 2265.

PeepsMcJuggs

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 409

Report this Jan. 19 2012, 11:11 am

This one's for Mathias, in hopes of tempering his excessive nerdrage about "failed" designs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUoaFITdfQ4


I Borg'd yo mama last night. She found it very assimilating.

Denebian Slime Devil

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 23

Report this Feb. 06 2012, 7:21 pm

Footage of the Enterprise F is up on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgkwtuH5_QQ

Matthias Russell

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 7705

Report this Feb. 16 2012, 8:13 am

I see all those Odyssey class ships on the map now.  I thought maybe once I was blitzed with them I would grow to tolerate them but no.  The more I see them, the more unattractive i find them, especially the side view. 


Though they are all over the place, I'm glad to see there are plenty of other Exploration Cruisers out there showing a lot of people don't like it and didn't want to earn it.


Forum Permissions

You cannot post new topics in this forum

You cannot reply to topics in this forum

You cannot delete posts in this forum