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Is Picard actualy stuck in the nexus?

pmo1988

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Report this Jul. 19 2011, 12:26 pm

I was watching Star Trek: Generations the other day when i suddenly realized that Picard dosent leave the planet where the nexus hits. Now in the movie the good doctor is shown under the nexus as it hits, however there is no mention or visual shot of Picard leaving. This then got me wondering as to weather Picard was also pulled into the nexis, it would make sense as the next three films address all of Picards dreams. First contact shows him having one more fight with the Borg this time winning, the next one is all about the crew getting what they have allways wanted and also Picard is forced to face his mortality and the final one which brings his greatest wish to life in the form of a son.

The nexus by its nature is designed to give each person there idea of paradise, surely for Picard the opportunity to travel the stars with his crew visiting the places and living the things he couldnt acheve in life is exactly what he would want. I don't know weather iv over looked something ... And if i had then please point it out! Other wise let's discus this further.

luvy4532

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Report this Jul. 19 2011, 6:52 pm

I think Picard being on the ground was too low to fall back into the Nexus The doctor was standing on an elvated platform which he calculated to be the right height to reach the Nexus as it waved by.

pmo1988

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Report this Jul. 19 2011, 11:55 pm

Hey thanks for replying, surly tho that's a bit of a cop out. As in just because he is on the ground means he dosent get sucked in. The calculation gave the system but the nexus engulfed the entire system not just the upper atmosphere.

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Report this Jul. 23 2011, 12:42 am

Nope. Picard isn't in the Nexus. Because Star Trek, the Nexus, and Picard are all fictional.


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Report this Jul. 25 2011, 11:13 pm

Quote: pmo1988 @ Jul. 19 2011, 12:26 pm

>I was watching Star Trek: Generations the other day when i suddenly realized that Picard dosent leave the planet where the nexus hits. Now in the movie the good doctor is shown under the nexus as it hits, however there is no mention or visual shot of Picard leaving. This then got me wondering as to weather Picard was also pulled into the nexis, it would make sense as the next three films address all of Picards dreams. First contact shows him having one more fight with the Borg this time winning, the next one is all about the crew getting what they have allways wanted and also Picard is forced to face his mortality and the final one which brings his greatest wish to life in the form of a son. The nexus by its nature is designed to give each person there idea of paradise, surely for Picard the opportunity to travel the stars with his crew visiting the places and living the things he couldnt acheve in life is exactly what he would want. I don't know weather iv over looked something ... And if i had then please point it out! Other wise let's discus this further.


Those are actually really good points. Very fascinating. It requires more thought on my part... 


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Report this Aug. 02 2011, 8:08 pm

Is Picard actualy stuck in the nexus?


We could only hope...lol


Maybe just maybe "all" of TNG actually occurred in the Nexus!

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Report this Aug. 09 2011, 5:20 am

Slightly off-topic, but ...
I really hated that Picard's family died in a FIRE!
... a house fire, in the 24th Century that quickly
consumes its occupants? How did this happen? If they
were so committed to killing off Picard's brother and
nephew, they should've thrown some irony in there ...


For instance Rene's wanting to explore the universe,
like Picard, and his father not being about that, at all.
Maybe finally caving in to his son and booked passage on
a shuttle that had a freak accident and blew up. Somehow,
it just never sold itself to me them dying in a house fire.


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Report this Aug. 09 2011, 6:45 am

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>I was watching Star Trek: Generations the other day when i suddenly realized that Picard dosent leave the planet where the nexus hits. Now in the movie the good doctor is shown under the nexus as it hits, however there is no mention or visual shot of Picard leaving. This then got me wondering as to weather Picard was also pulled into the nexis, it would make sense as the next three films address all of Picards dreams. First contact shows him having one more fight with the Borg this time winning, the next one is all about the crew getting what they have allways wanted and also Picard is forced to face his mortality and the final one which brings his greatest wish to life in the form of a son. The nexus by its nature is designed to give each person there idea of paradise, surely for Picard the opportunity to travel the stars with his crew visiting the places and living the things he couldnt acheve in life is exactly what he would want. I don't know weather iv over looked something ... And if i had then please point it out! Other wise let's discus this further.

 

hmm maybe the post is worded bad or you just didn't see or remember all of the movie.  When the Doctor got pulled into the nexus, they make it clear that Picard got pulled in too.  In the next scene, picard has a blindfold on and is with his make believe family on christmas.  Guinan appears then Guinan tells Picard that he's in the nexus. 

Maybe this is what you were trying to say though:

When Picard leaves the Nexus with Kirk, does he really leave? or does the Nexus merely provide him the illusion of him leaving to make him happy?  It reminds me of Voyager episode "bliss".  That's when the telepathic pitcher plant gave seven the illusion that voyager escaped because that's what she wanted even though she was still in it.  Same concept. It's theoretically possible I guess.

This is how I would try to cast doubt on that theory though:

Here's some dialogue from voyager episode "Pathfinder"

TROI: We'll work on it together.
BARCLAY: You're scheduled to depart tomorrow.
TROI: I've decided to ask Captain Picard for a temporary leave of absence to spend some time with an old friend.
BARCLAY: Oh, Deanna, you, you, you don't, you don't have to do that.
TROI: Try and stop me.

She also mentions picard in Voyager episode "Lifeline"

TROI [on monitor]: They're all important, Reg. I could refer you to Counsellor Jenzo, a colleague of mine on Earth.
BARCLAY: I need the best, Deanna.
TROI [on monitor]: It would be an interesting challenge.
BARCLAY: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
TROI [on monitor]: Don't thank me yet. I'll still need to clear this with Captain Picard. If he agrees, I might be able to be there by early next week.
BARCLAY: I'll see you then.

These episodes takes place about 5 or 6 years after the events of Star Trek Generations.  Picard is not in these Voyager episodes.  If Picard were still in the Nexus, Deanna shouldn't be saying that she'll ask Captain Picard for a leave of absence.  If anything, she would be grieving that Picard had disappeared in the Nexus 5 years ago.  If this voyager episode is also an illusion of the nexus, I would have expected Picard to be in the episode somewhere since its his dream.



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Report this Aug. 09 2011, 10:55 pm

Quote: 2takesfrakes @ Aug. 09 2011, 5:20 am

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>Slightly off-topic, but ...
I really hated that Picard's family died in a FIRE!
... a house fire, in the 24th Century that quickly
consumes its occupants? How did this happen? If they
were so committed to killing off Picard's brother and
nephew, they should've thrown some irony in there ...

>For instance Rene's wanting to explore the universe,
like Picard, and his father not being about that, at all.
Maybe finally caving in to his son and booked passage on
a shuttle that had a freak accident and blew up. Somehow,
it just never sold itself to me them dying in a house fire.

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LOL, that's a good point. That's kinda funny. You'd think they'd be able to prevent a housefire in the 24th century. But who knows, that's just Generations. *shrug*


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Report this Aug. 11 2011, 6:44 pm

the nexus to me seems nothing more than a temporal jump point. like a hub that your in...you can go to any point in the past timeline..like a wheel with many spokes.


 


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Report this Aug. 11 2011, 7:39 pm

Quote: janewayjunkie74656 @ Aug. 09 2011, 10:55 pm

Quote: 2takesfrakes @ Aug. 09 2011, 5:20 am

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>Slightly off-topic, but ...
I really hated that Picard's family died in a FIRE!
... a house fire, in the 24th Century that quickly
consumes its occupants? How did this happen? If they
were so committed to killing off Picard's brother and
nephew, they should've thrown some irony in there ...

>For instance Rene's wanting to explore the universe,
like Picard, and his father not being about that, at all.
Maybe finally caving in to his son and booked passage on
a shuttle that had a freak accident and blew up. Somehow,
it just never sold itself to me them dying in a house fire.

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LOL, that's a good point. That's kinda funny. You'd think they'd be able to prevent a housefire in the 24th century. But who knows, that's just Generations. *shrug*


Dude. . . they do not even have a cure for BALDNESS in the 24rth century!!!!! You think they would have time to mess around with petty HOUSE FIRES?!?!?? 


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