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Younger Gay Fans?

eXciteRaw

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Report this Jul. 12 2011, 8:25 pm

Hey, Im a long time Fan of the Star Trek Series' ... Im Gay myself and live in Sydney, its only recently that I found another guy my age (23) thats as into Star Trek as I am.. so are there any other gay fans out there ??


 


Bjay

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Report this Jul. 14 2011, 5:33 pm

I'm also a long time gay fan.  I guess I'm not 'younger' since I'm 31 .  Glad you found someone to enjoy Trek with.  My partner and I have been avid trekkies since we were kids.

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Report this Jul. 14 2011, 7:11 pm

Don't you think this would belong more in Ten Foward than here? Oh well, that's beside the point. I am only 14 which qualifies me as a young fan. I am also gay. I've only liked Trek for about a year but I am already the biggest trekkie in my school and family.


Ensign Moran

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Report this Aug. 17 2011, 7:14 pm

This is a completely wrong place to put this, if anywhere here then in ten-forward. This is inappropriate to put on this website at all, really. And I am 100% straight by the way, just so theres no confusion.

We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

Ensign Moran

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Report this Aug. 17 2011, 7:32 pm

I have reported this whole article and this will most likely be removed.

We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

WhitneyLoy

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Report this Aug. 17 2011, 10:30 pm

 


I find the last three comments profoundly upsetting.


I guess hold Star Trek fans to a higher standard. I assume that they have some understanding and appreciation for what Star Trek is all about, the potential of humanity. Star Trek was the fist interracial kiss on television, the first gay kiss on television, and depicts a future where people have evolved past hating each other based on race or religion or sexual orientation.


I recently attended the big Star Trek convention in Las Vegas and something that nearly every single one of the actors spoke about (William Shatner, Patrick Stewart, and Kate Mulgrew included) was the nonjudgmental, honorable quality of the fans. "Star Trek fans are some of the best people in the world," said Ethan Phillips during his talk. "They don't care what you look like, how much money you have, or what color, gender, or sexual orientation you might be."


Perhaps Ten Forward is more focused on social conversations and each of the series message boards are focused on topics specifically related to those series. So it would have been more appropriate to say "Gay ST:TNG Fans," but other than that there is nothing on this post (sans that stupid comment about being 6 and 1/2) that would warrant it being removed. I read the "Message Board Guidelines" posted in the "Star Trek: The Next Generation" section. Nothing on this board violates those guidelines. 


To have a conversation about homosexuality and Star Trek is very relevant. Gene Roddenberry, the creator of Star Trek, supported LGBT rights and promised that in the fifth season of TNG, there would be regular gay crew members on the show. Other stars of the franchise chimed in, with Leonard Nimoy (who played Spock) offering his support in a 1991 letter to the Los Angeles Times:


"It is entirely fitting that gays and lesbians will appear unobtrusively aboard the Enterprise — neither objects of pity nor melodramatic attention."


However, Roddenberry died soon after his interviews and the announced plans to have a gay crew member on TNG never materialized. 


Kate Mulgrew stated her feelings that it was time to have a gay Star Trek captain. 


I wonder if this had been about "Young black Star Trek fans" or "Young Christian Star Trek fans" if people would have come in and posted things like "I'm 6 and 1/2" or claimed it was wildly in appropriate or felt the need to say, "And I am 100% white by the way, just so there's no confusion" or "And I'm 100% Muslim by the way, just so there's no confusion."


DON'T YOU GET IT!?!!? Star Trek is about being above all that stuff. Go back and watch your episodes.


 

Blinkn

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Report this Aug. 18 2011, 12:39 am

WhitneyLoy, excellent response to this.


Umm, I think if Trek has a future in television after Enterprise I sincerly hope first off that Rick Berman and Brannon Braga have nothing to do with it. Not because I think they're super homophobic, but their reasoning for not including "overtly" gay characters even in the background would have prevent the historic kiss between Kirk and Uhura, because... it was in some kind've interview Berman said something to the effect that including gay characters even in the background, being romantic would feel forced and disingenuous. That bunk reads to me kind've like Spencer Tracey's character in Guess Who's Coming Dinner, despite his public politics when his daughter brought home a black guy his personal politics were different.


I don't want ot confuse people, what I want to say is that I think Trek needs to find it's balls and get off the fence about the gays. And sure they've tap dance around the issue with... some good episodes, but lets face it having Riker kiss and androdynized woman (which was by far the best), that insulting mess with Odan and Crusher (by far the most insulting and good on Ms McFadden for challengeing that scene), a rather steamy kiss between two beautiful Trill women, and Mirror Universe gayness Trek has dropped the ball.


Not ONE episode in the 600+ has ever seriously explored male homosexuality, oh they've made jokes out of it like the posters here and to me it makes it seem like this behavior is okay. And that's exactly why Trek needs a regualr gay male character, he doesn't need to be Captain or even a main character but he needs to be a well treated secondary character like Leeta, Rom, Nog, and Garak. Because if Sisko can still harbor feelings about the treatment of blacks, regualr Joes like the Chief who didn't mind using racial slurs "cardies", if Berman can force Gates McFadden to say that humans haven't developed the capacity for unconditional love (she can handle a change of face but WHOA not a change of gender), if Trip and Reed can seem disgusted by the prospet of kissing to male alien on their trip to Risa but discuss in their near death freezing T'Pol bum then homosexuality can get the Star Trek treatment.


The same way that Wesley can fall in love with an alien girl, in that trite little coming of age b story so could a young boy fall for another boy or whatever. It is a cop out to say there isn't a way to organically include gay in Trek, a cope out that insults the ballsy choice of the Kirk Uhura kiss and the whole idea of Trek, in F'IN 1960s for Christ sake. It's not even bold anymore, gays are kissing everywhere on TV, hell they even have whole show dedicated to them.


 


Sorry for the rant!


I want to see a character that isn't labeled as 'gay' have a nice, normal romance with no hint of prejudice, no allegory and no message at all. Just put it there, like it happens all the time and no one gives a damn, which is exactly how it should be. I don't want a story about how no one understands them or how society isn't accepting, just have it happen. ~ SLagonia

toudaimori

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Report this Aug. 18 2011, 6:36 am

Quote: WhitneyLoy @ Aug. 17 2011, 10:30 pm

>I wonder if this had been about "Young black Star Trek fans" or "Young Christian Star Trek fans" if people would have come in and posted things like "I'm 6 and 1/2" or claimed it was wildly in appropriate or felt the need to say, "And I am 100% white by the way, just so there's no confusion" or "And I'm 100% Muslim by the way, just so there's no confusion."


Yes.


And it has nothing to do with homophobia.


This simply is not the right place for it 


Stay away from the comm, Ralph Offenhouse.

WhitneyLoy

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Report this Aug. 18 2011, 7:24 am


So this isn't the place to talk about being a gay Star Trek fan, but it is the place to share your conservative religious and political views? 


And to clarify, I'm not suggesting that you abandon your belief system because it differs from Star Trek. It just so happens that my belief system lines up with the core values of the show, tolerance and respect. And I think I should have the right to discuss my beliefs and how the relate to the show in this forum. 


And by the way, I share your feelings about the comment you mentioned finding so disturbing. But you clearly didn't read it. It was someone making a sarcastic, homophobic comment about BEING 6 and 1/2 and having a boyfriend. Not having a boyfriend who was 6 and 1/2. Regardless, it's clearly someone mocking the other genuine posts here, which I find very sad.


Commander Liu

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Report this Aug. 18 2011, 7:26 am

As the person above me said, this has nothing to do with sexuality, it just isn't right even for Ten Forward.

Commander Liu

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Report this Aug. 18 2011, 7:35 am

THe only resason I brought up the religous thing is because it is the equivalent of bringing up homosexuality. Since bringing up homosexuality is wrong and should be deleted, me brgining up religion also should be deleted, which I did. And on a previous account (which I lost the password to) I did critize a few other posts for having irrelavent things in the wrong catagory. No matter what happens I will always stick to my beliefs however.

H.T.4461

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Report this Aug. 18 2011, 9:14 am

I'm a 35 bisexual lesbian fan, who would love and enjoy seeing a gay or lesbian character on the next Star Trek.  

WhitneyLoy

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Report this Aug. 18 2011, 5:04 pm

I agree. It's about time. There's actually been talk with JJ Abrams about featuring one in the next film.


http://www.themarysue.com/star-trek-2-gay-character/


http://www.afterelton.com/movies/2011/08/jj-abrams-gay-character-star-trek-movie


 

Ensign Moran

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Report this Aug. 18 2011, 5:05 pm

Well I guess you have your opinion, but nothing is going to change mine.

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Report this Aug. 18 2011, 5:14 pm

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