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Thok882

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Report this Jun. 13 2011, 11:23 pm

In the Enterprise series there is ship to ship visual comunication. The Enterperise NX-01 was the first ship in star fleet. And in the original series Kirk says that no one knows what a Romulan looks like because during the Federation's war with the Romulans ship to ship visual communtiaction was not invented yet. So how could Enterprise NX-01 have ship to ship visual communication before it was invented?


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Trekwolf164

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Report this Jun. 14 2011, 5:26 am

You are 100% correct Thok882 .


B&B wanted to replace TOS with Enterprise .


They ignored TOS and wrote as if it never aired .


The stole GR's whole premise Starship Enterprise with a Human Captain Vulcan First Officer changed the gender on Spock.


The view of humans evolving and striving to be better was replaced with man is his own worst enemy type Sci/fi.


Really a shame


 


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Report this Jun. 14 2011, 5:45 am

This is a Star Trek Message board where members are encouraged to post opinions.


I am using this board within the terms of service and the suggestions posted by Admin.


Star Trek is an ongoing franchise people need to see and understand all aspects of the presentations in order to possibly acheive a better product in the next incarnation.


I have been a member for many years I post on all boards on this site.


I have attended many Star Trek events I was on the Bridge of the Enterprise D having cocktails and hor'durves with DNesh the night TATV was aired I saw it in the Borg Theater.


So why question me ?


 


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Report this Jun. 14 2011, 5:49 am

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Report this Jun. 14 2011, 8:04 am

marshall8472 makes very good points. Section 31 must additionally be considered. Starfleet had a very small fleet in the 2150's. The Romulan Wars were on the horizon. It is likely that S31 worked to conceal evidence of the Vulcan/Romulan connection in order to forward a truce amongst the Vulcans, Andorians, & Tellarites so as to protect Earth. The three could offer Earth protection while it built up a fleet. After the war, S31 could've continued to revise history according to its needs, viewscreen technology being an example. No one is likely to check visual records if the records are believed to be non-existent.

Thok882

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Report this Jun. 14 2011, 4:16 pm

Marshall8472 makes a very strong case. I belive that the Romulans did not allow the visual communcation because that is the most likley theory.


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Trekwolf164

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Report this Jun. 14 2011, 4:45 pm

Quote: Thok882 @ Jun. 14 2011, 4:16 pm

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>Marshall8472 makes a very strong case. I belive that the Romulans did not allow the visual communcation because that is the most likley theory.

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It is conjecture or speculation not canon.


In TOS the idea of cloaking a ship was a theory yet in Enterprise there are several species who utilize cloaks.


The NX-01 is even fitted with cloak busting emitters.


Enterprise Shuttles have Phase canons the TOS shuttles are unarmed.


 


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Report this Jun. 14 2011, 5:47 pm

It is conjecture or speculation not canon.


It is speculation based on canon. We know that Romulans possess the technology required for visual communication, and we also know that throughout ENT they don't use it to communicate with other species.


In TOS the idea of cloaking a ship was a theory yet in Enterprise there are several species who utilize cloaks.


The NX-01 is even fitted with cloak busting emitters.


Exposure to both cloaking devices and cloak-busters was the result of the Temporal Cold War, which, upon the end of the TCW, would be among the events that were fixed when the time-line was reset.


Enterprise Shuttles have Phase canons the TOS shuttles are unarmed.


Indication of design changes, not canon discrepancy. 


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Trekwolf164

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Report this Jun. 14 2011, 5:59 pm

You can post your fantasys or speculation all day if it was not shown on screen it is pointless noise.


The crew that got Trip Pregnant used a cloak both Enterprise and the Klingon's saw her.


Why would a primitive space craft and her support vessels be more advanced 100 years in the past ?


 


 


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Report this Jun. 14 2011, 6:06 pm

You can post your fantasys or speculation all day if it was not shown on screen it is pointless noise.


You mean like the Romulans using audio/visual surveillance devices (which is the same technology as two-way communications) to watch Trip and Tucker on their drone ship, and the Romulans never using visual communications to speak with any aliens? Aw, look at that... it is shown on screen.


The crew that got Trip Pregnant used a cloak both Enterprise and the Klingon's saw her.


And this occured during the time-frame that was effected by the TCW.


Why would a primitive space craft and her support vessels be more advanced 100 years in the past ?


I couldn't tell you, but as we never see any such thing, I don't see the point in asking such a question.


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Trekwolf164

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Report this Jun. 14 2011, 6:08 pm

Watch Enterprise the ship is 100 years older than the 1701 and is more advanced.


 


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Report this Jun. 14 2011, 6:10 pm

Quote: Trekwolf164 @ Jun. 14 2011, 6:08 pm

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>Watch Enterprise the ship is 100 years older than the 1701 and is more advanced.

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If you watch ENT, you'll see a ship that was around 110 year prior to the events of TOS and displayed technology 110 year less advanced than what's seen in TOS.



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Report this Jun. 14 2011, 6:22 pm

Not true the ship was smaller and a little slower but it had a more advanced com system , shields and the cloak busting emitters.


That ship survived an attack on an entire solar system and won with more hull breaches than any other ship shown in Trek.


 


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Report this Jun. 14 2011, 6:27 pm

Quote: Trekwolf164 @ Jun. 14 2011, 6:22 pm

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>Not true the ship was smaller and a little slower but it had a more advanced com system , shields and the cloak busting emitters.

>That ship survived an attack on an entire solar system and won with more hull breaches than any other ship shown in Trek.

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It's com system had a very limited range without the assistance of subspace relay stations positioned every dozen or so light-years .


The NX-01 had no shields to speak of.


The cloak buster was the result of the TCW, and would've been eliminated with the time-line was reset.


The fact that it had so many hull breaches is proof that its defenses were inferior to later ships.


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Report this Jun. 14 2011, 6:32 pm

I will take an inferior ship that survives attacks by several ships.


There were more advanced ships taken out with less effort.


 


 


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