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No Matter What...Can President Obama be defeated in 2012? No. He can't.

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Jun. 03 2011, 10:21 am

I really like Dr. Williams, but I hope he's wrong this time.


If the average person could think critically, there'd be no way Obama could have been elected in the first place, let alone re-elected.  A huge amount of the blame goes to the gubmunt edewkayshun & undocktrunayshun cystduuhhmm.


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Report this Jun. 03 2011, 11:09 am

Wow, this guy is completely wrong in just about everything. Obama's re-election is not set in stone. It is, however, very likely, due to one major factor; the Republican Party is divided. Already high-profile Republicans are publicly challenging the credibility of other high-profile Republicans, which in the end damages the credibility of both. Then there's the Tea Party, which took support away from the Republicans, further weakening their power.

What it comes down to is that the Rebulican Party needs to produce a good strong candidate, which is something that they will have great difficulty doing due to all the in-fighting.

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Report this Jun. 03 2011, 11:50 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Jun. 03 2011, 10:21 am

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>If the average person could think critically...

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If only...


...then most people wouldn't have to decide between the lesser of two evils, and instead be caught among the greater of many bests.

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Report this Jun. 03 2011, 12:15 pm

 


Dr. Williams is quite correct..Obama will win a second term and hopefully he'll insert a law to give himsef a third, BUT LOOK we need Obama, thanks to that FAT HEAD WEINER George Bush The economy is frakked up, jobs were lost and Obama is finally putting the pieces back together.

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Report this Jun. 03 2011, 1:50 pm

If I was an american Id be very insulted by this Dr's comments. All he's saying is americans vote en mass because their understanding of politics reaches only as far as an Xfactor style popularity contest. I know this is a problem in the states especially (elsewhere too) and the campaigns in the US are even run as popularity contests where the actual important stuff gets forgotten. But actually there are a lot of americans who are willing and able to see past this and vote for the person and party they believe to be the best for the country.


This Dr obviously believes all americans are shallow and stupid but its up to you in the US to not allow his blatent manipulation of you.


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Report this Jun. 03 2011, 5:40 pm

Quote: DammitJim6200 @ Jun. 03 2011, 12:15 pm

>...Obama will win a second term and hopefully he'll insert a law to give himsef a third,...
Wow - talk about a disturbed individual.  DJ's calling for a dictatorship.


It always amazes me how progressives get so upset when another group ignores the law and/or grabs power, but when they're in charge, it's absolutely okay to do that exact thing.  (Can you see DJ screaming if Bush was even more arrogant and just made himself the dictator that DJ's saying that Obama should do?)


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Report this Jun. 03 2011, 5:54 pm

Quote: Ezri Janeway @ Jun. 03 2011, 1:50 pm

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>If I was an american Id be very insulted by this Dr's comments. All he's saying is americans vote en mass because their understanding of politics reaches only as far as an Xfactor style popularity contest. I know this is a problem in the states especially (elsewhere too) and the campaigns in the US are even run as popularity contests where the actual important stuff gets forgotten. But actually there are a lot of americans who are willing and able to see past this and vote for the person and party they believe to be the best for the country.

>This Dr obviously believes all americans are shallow and stupid but its up to you in the US to not allow his blatent manipulation of you.

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Yes, it is insulting, but I think that Dr. Williams meant it to be and is correct in that so many people don't look at reality/facts and actually think things through.  As Dr. Thomas Sowell would say - They can't "think beyond step one." - they just do what they've been indoctrinated to do.


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Report this Jun. 03 2011, 6:00 pm

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>Dr. Williams is quite correct..Obama will win a second term and hopefully he'll insert a law to give himsef a third, BUT LOOK we need Obama, thanks to that FAT HEAD WEINER George Bush The economy is frakked up, jobs were lost and Obama is finally putting the pieces back together.

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Maybe he'll initiate a law giving illegals voting priviledges for his 3rd term and allow Arnold to have a crack at it all.


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Report this Jun. 03 2011, 8:32 pm

I did a check online and found out that Dr. Williams didn't write this.


http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/
http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/RiteOn.orgApology.pdf


We published an article that we thought was written by him and we have subsequently found out
it was not. The title of the article we published was "No Matter What" and it was published on April
1. Please be informed that this article was mistakenly attributed to Dr Williams.

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Report this Jun. 03 2011, 8:48 pm

Quote: Ezri Janeway @ Jun. 03 2011, 1:50 pm

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>If I was an american Id be very insulted by this Dr's comments. All he's saying is americans vote en mass because their understanding of politics reaches only as far as an Xfactor style popularity contest. I know this is a problem in the states especially (elsewhere too) and the campaigns in the US are even run as popularity contests where the actual important stuff gets forgotten. But actually there are a lot of americans who are willing and able to see past this and vote for the person and party they believe to be the best for the country.

>This Dr obviously believes all americans are shallow and stupid but its up to you in the US to not allow his blatent manipulation of you.

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I suspect though that his analysis (not of the American=Stupid part of the argument, but his analysis of the demographic interest groups...) while a little tongue in cheek, is largely correct.


In the previous election, the Republican candidate (Apologies I remember his face but forget his name) had the charisma of a backyard mushroom, and he was a Republican, but he seemed like a solid, dependable kind of guy. Realistically, though, he barely had a chance against Obama. And for exactly the reasons that the author of this article claims -- an overwhelming demographic advantage for Obama.


As far as politicians being "Lesser of Two evils" rather than "Better of Best", that comes more down to available choices than to the critical thinking of the populace. But politicians and athletes have one thing in common: Both are flabby and slack without consistent outside pressure.


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Report this Jun. 04 2011, 5:08 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Jun. 03 2011, 10:21 am

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>I really like Dr. Williams, but I hope he's wrong this time.

>If the average person could think critically, there'd be no way Obama could have been elected in the first place, let alone re-elected.  A huge amount of the blame goes to the gubmunt edewkayshun & undocktrunayshun cystduuhhmm.

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Because we should have voted for John McCain instead?


That is what a critically thinking electorate would have done?


Give me a break.


As Americans, we sometimes suffer from too much pluribus and not enough unum. - Arthur Schelsinger, Jr.

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Report this Jun. 04 2011, 5:57 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ Jun. 03 2011, 8:48 pm

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I disagree. A critical thinker recognizes that the American Political Party System, as it stands with Republicans and Democrats, is largely to control the vote and retain power. The reality is that power will shift between the two extremes, rather than being dispersed over multiple parties or with the people. A Two Party System, in terms of ideals, is little better than a dictatorship.


A critically thinking populace wouldn't stand for the polarizingly limited choices, and attempt to forward a more competent candidate by less traditional means. Stephen Colbert satirically demonstrated how an average person, meeting the qualifications for office, had to either kiss Democratic a$$ or bribe Republicans to get on a ballet in his home state. 

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Report this Jun. 04 2011, 6:34 am

Quote: caltrek2 @ Jun. 04 2011, 5:08 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Jun. 03 2011, 10:21 am

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>I really like Dr. Williams, but I hope he's wrong this time.

>If the average person could think critically, there'd be no way Obama could have been elected in the first place, let alone re-elected.  A huge amount of the blame goes to the gubmunt edewkayshun & undocktrunayshun cystduuhhmm.

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Because we should have voted for John McCain instead?

That is what a critically thinking electorate would have done?

Give me a break.

McCain???   NO WAY!!!!


It appears that you think the only two choices are between two big government progressives - one under the democrat flag and the other under the republican flag.


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Report this Jun. 04 2011, 6:36 am

Quote: lostshaker @ Jun. 04 2011, 5:57 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ Jun. 03 2011, 8:48 pm

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>As far as politicians being "Lesser of Two evils" rather than "Better of Best", that comes more down to available choices than to the critical thinking of the populace.

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I disagree. A critical thinker recognizes that the American Political Party System, as it stands with Republicans and Democrats, is largely to control the vote and retain power. The reality is that power will shift between the two extremes, rather than being dispersed over multiple parties or with the people. A Two Party System, in terms of ideals, is little better than a dictatorship.

A critically thinking populace wouldn't stand for the polarizingly limited choices, and attempt to forward a more competent candidate by less traditional means. Stephen Colbert satirically demonstrated how an average person, meeting the qualifications for office, had to either kiss Democratic a$$ or bribe Republicans to get on a ballet in his home state. 

"The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the bums out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy. Either party in office becomes in time corrupt, tired, unenterprising, and vigorless. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still persue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies." -- Carroll Quigley, "Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time"


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Report this Jun. 04 2011, 7:42 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Jun. 04 2011, 6:34 am

Quote: caltrek2 @ Jun. 04 2011, 5:08 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Jun. 03 2011, 10:21 am

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>I really like Dr. Williams, but I hope he's wrong this time.

>If the average person could think critically, there'd be no way Obama could have been elected in the first place, let alone re-elected.  A huge amount of the blame goes to the gubmunt edewkayshun & undocktrunayshun cystduuhhmm.

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Because we should have voted for John McCain instead?

That is what a critically thinking electorate would have done?

Give me a break.

McCain???   NO WAY!!!!

It appears that you think the only two choices are between two big government progressives - one under the democrat flag and the other under the republican flag.


I did not support Obama in the primaries. Whne it came down to the genereal election, I voted for Obama. At that point my choice was restricted by who was on the ballot. I could have written in somebody (hang in their Corwin) but they would not have won. I could have voted for a third party candidate, but that would have siphoned off support for Obama and helped McCain. So I voted for Obama.


Lesser of two evils?


Some times that is the way the cookie crumbles. Maybe I should run for president, that way if I win I know that I will do what I would do if I were in office. Unfortunately, Corwin has showed me how hard that route is to take.


As Americans, we sometimes suffer from too much pluribus and not enough unum. - Arthur Schelsinger, Jr.

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