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Borg Cube vs Death Star

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Report this May. 30 2011, 10:08 pm








































Let's say that a Borg Cube was able to use their temporal warp technology and travel to a galaxy long ago and far far away. They encounter a fully manned and operational Death Star. Just for the hell of it Vader and the Emperor are both on board. Who wins? My money is on the Borg.

Death Star

Diameter - 160 kilometers
Crew - 265,675 plus 52,276 gunners, 607,360 troops, 25,984 stormtroopers, 42,782 ship support staff, and 167,216 pilots and support crew.
Weapons - 10,000 turbolaser batteries, 2,500 laser cannons, 2,500 ion cannons and 768 tractor beam projectors. 7,200 tie fighters, four strike cruisers, 3,600 assault shuttles, 1,400 AT-ATs, 1,400 AT-STs, 1,860 drop ships and one super laser.
Speed systems - Hyper Drive and Ion Engines.

Borg Cube

Size - 28 cubic kilometers in volume, with each side measuring more than three kilometers.
Crew - 130,000 Drones.
Weapons - Beam and projectile weaponry, cutting beams, magnetometric guided charges, shield neutralizers, tractor beams, deflector shields, subspace field, electromagnetic field, regeneration, force fields for both drones and ship. Support vehicle (Borg Sphere). Transporters.
Speed systems - Warp and Transwarp capable. Impulse Engines.

The way I think it would go...
The Borg scan the death star. Both Vader and the Emperor are alerted of danger by the force. Message sent by the Borg "We are the Borg. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile." Vader orders battle stations and launching of tie fighters. The gun crews wait for enemy fighters that never come.

The tie fighters are being shot down in droves. Some do get through and score some minor hits but are shocked when they see the damaged areas are quickly repaired by the Borg regeneration system. Reports now are coming in to Vader that strange beings are materializing out of thin air!

The Emporer orders the big laser into action. The big laser works well on planets.The Borg ship is more mobile than the death star. Just can't get the Borg ship in it's sights. Vader orders all tractor beams to lock on to the Borg ship.

But by now most are out of commission from Borg teleporting to these areas and pinpoint fire from their ship. Reports now are saying that Borg are "infecting" crew members. They in turn are attacking their shipmates. Vader orders all personnel to repel boarders and take back vital areas. At first this seems to be working. But soon the blasters are not killing the Borg. Now it's hand to hand. More and more of the crew are infected and turning on their friends. No matter what Vader and the Emperor do, the Borg quickly adapt and seize more of the Death Star.

In desperation Vader and the Emperor try using the force for mind control of the Borg. This works on individuals and small groups but the Borg are a collective. The fighting has gone on for hours but the Borg keep pressing on. All to soon the fight is at their doorstep. Vader and the Emperor fight like trapped rats. Vader cutting down drones like corn with his light saber and the Emperor cussing and killing Borg with his pattened lightning bolts shooting out from his fingers! It's the Emperor that falls first from sheer exhaustion. Vader keeps on fighting but soon his saber stops working on the Borg. Now armed only with fists and the force he continues on. Flinging drones through the air with the force and choking some with his hands. But even this mighty warrior falls under the waves of Borg.

THE END.


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Report this May. 31 2011, 6:22 am

Well the Borg have pretty good weaponry, but the Death Star can blow up planets with one hit. So unless they were able to sneak aboard and start assimilating Stormtroopers first, I don't see them having a chance against the Empire.


By the way, better to break up your paragraphs more -- that passage is difficult to read on the screen.


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Report this May. 31 2011, 11:48 am

welcome to the boards 3 of 12. this subject was just recently done, and in the end neither the trekies or the warsies could convince the other that they were wrong in their beliefs. Here are some of the biggest claims that the warrsies made to try and make thier point. (I will try to make a counter arguement for each one)


1: The Borg cannot beam onto the Death Star because of its ability to Jam radio frequencies.
Counter: if the empire does not know about the transporter capabilities how can they know how to jam them, before it is too late


2: The Borg will be unable to adapt to blasters as they use a totally different kind of energy then weapons like phasers do.
Counter: Energy based weapons are still energy based weapons. Beef comes from a bull just as it comes from a cow, and a blast of energy is still being shot out of a emitter whether it is on a blaster or a phaser.


3: The Borg won't be able to assimilate Imperial Tech.
Counter: This is totally wrong. Asside from some obvious differences (IE, size of ships, weapon power, droids, ect), there is not much difference between the Tech in Trek and Wars. faster then light travel is still faster then light travel, whether it is by means of hyperdrive or warp drive.


4: The Borg would be incinerated by the Super Laser.
Counter: Yeah, IF THEY STOOD COMPLEATLY STILL. I will admit that in the past we have seen the borg impliment the strategy of barreling right through to their target, but assuming that they are able to assimilate either tie pilots or a shuttle crew before they attack the DS then they would have all the knowledge that they needed to mount a propper defense against the super laser. Now some would argue that would not be the case as none off them would know the true power of the SL, but they would know the defenses of the DS, and they would know that the SL was more for destroying larger targets, like planets and moons, then for destroying smaller fast moving targets, like a Cube ship, however for those people i will remind them that the Borg was able to mount an effeective defense agianst the Enterprise when they tried to use the deflector dish weapon in BOBW by simply assimilateing Picard, who would not have known all of the technical stuff (IE, frequency, power output, ect.), short of how the weapon worked.


there are others of course, but these are the main ones that i can remember. so all i will say in closeing is, here we go agian.


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Report this May. 31 2011, 11:52 am

So unless they were able to sneak aboard and start assimilating Stormtroopers first, I don't see them having a chance against the Empire.


Um i do believe that he did mention that they did beam abord Otaku. but just in case you missed it (understanable as i bairly caught it the first time through myself) here it is:


Reports now are coming in to Vader that strange beings are materializing out of thin air!

if that is not comeing on board to assimilate people and tech i don't know what is.


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Report this May. 31 2011, 2:57 pm

Your mom would win.

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Report this May. 31 2011, 9:55 pm

The Borg Cube. There are more of them.


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Report this Jun. 01 2011, 1:07 pm

The Borg would definitly win because of their superior weaponry and ability to adapt to weapons. Vader and the Empire wouldn't stand a chance. Also, how easily the Death Star is destroyed. The zborg would just have to shoot down the tiny hole and BOOM! End of Death Star.

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Report this Jun. 01 2011, 10:51 pm

The borg win, after two red shirt drones go down.

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Report this Jun. 01 2011, 11:15 pm

LOL


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Report this Jun. 01 2011, 11:18 pm

Everyone loses.


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Report this Jun. 04 2011, 11:11 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ May. 31 2011, 2:57 pm

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>Your mom would win.

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And what, your mom a loser?


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Report this Jun. 04 2011, 11:19 pm

Quote: Camorite @ May. 31 2011, 11:48 am

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>welcome to the boards 3 of 12. this subject was just recently done, and in the end neither the trekies or the warsies could convince the other that they were wrong in their beliefs. Here are some of the biggest claims that the warrsies made to try and make thier point. (I will try to make a counter arguement for each one)

>1: The Borg cannot beam onto the Death Star because of its ability to Jam radio frequencies.
Counter: if the empire does not know about the transporter capabilities how can they know how to jam them, before it is too late

>2: The Borg will be unable to adapt to blasters as they use a totally different kind of energy then weapons like phasers do.
Counter: Energy based weapons are still energy based weapons. Beef comes from a bull just as it comes from a cow, and a blast of energy is still being shot out of a emitter whether it is on a blaster or a phaser.

>3: The Borg won't be able to assimilate Imperial Tech.
Counter: This is totally wrong. Asside from some obvious differences (IE, size of ships, weapon power, droids, ect), there is not much difference between the Tech in Trek and Wars. faster then light travel is still faster then light travel, whether it is by means of hyperdrive or warp drive.

>4: The Borg would be incinerated by the Super Laser.
Counter: Yeah, IF THEY STOOD COMPLEATLY STILL. I will admit that in the past we have seen the borg impliment the strategy of barreling right through to their target, but assuming that they are able to assimilate either tie pilots or a shuttle crew before they attack the DS then they would have all the knowledge that they needed to mount a propper defense against the super laser. Now some would argue that would not be the case as none off them would know the true power of the SL, but they would know the defenses of the DS, and they would know that the SL was more for destroying larger targets, like planets and moons, then for destroying smaller fast moving targets, like a Cube ship, however for those people i will remind them that the Borg was able to mount an effeective defense agianst the Enterprise when they tried to use the deflector dish weapon in BOBW by simply assimilateing Picard, who would not have known all of the technical stuff (IE, frequency, power output, ect.), short of how the weapon worked.

>there are others of course, but these are the main ones that i can remember. so all i will say in closeing is, here we go agian.

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Had this debate on another site (star wars). Your right about star wars fans will find or make up something on how their side is going to win. I guess that some star trek fans are the same. Myself I like both franchises. So I try to look at all the factors from both to see how this battle would play out.


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Report this Jun. 05 2011, 7:38 am

borg cube dies horribly. no ship in trek can take on the death star except for species 8472.  ANDROMEDA to the rescue. lol

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Report this Jun. 05 2011, 9:01 am

Quote: tribblenator999 @ Jun. 05 2011, 7:38 am

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>borg cube dies horribly. no ship in trek can take on the death star except for species 8472.  ANDROMEDA to the rescue. lol

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Good thing that they live in fluidic space! lol


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Report this Jun. 05 2011, 12:35 pm

Quote: 3 of 12 @ Jun. 04 2011, 11:19 pm

Quote: Camorite @ May. 31 2011, 11:48 am

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>welcome to the boards 3 of 12. this subject was just recently done, and in the end neither the trekies or the warsies could convince the other that they were wrong in their beliefs. Here are some of the biggest claims that the warrsies made to try and make thier point. (I will try to make a counter arguement for each one)

>1: The Borg cannot beam onto the Death Star because of its ability to Jam radio frequencies.
Counter: if the empire does not know about the transporter capabilities how can they know how to jam them, before it is too late

>2: The Borg will be unable to adapt to blasters as they use a totally different kind of energy then weapons like phasers do.
Counter: Energy based weapons are still energy based weapons. Beef comes from a bull just as it comes from a cow, and a blast of energy is still being shot out of a emitter whether it is on a blaster or a phaser.

>3: The Borg won't be able to assimilate Imperial Tech.
Counter: This is totally wrong. Asside from some obvious differences (IE, size of ships, weapon power, droids, ect), there is not much difference between the Tech in Trek and Wars. faster then light travel is still faster then light travel, whether it is by means of hyperdrive or warp drive.

>4: The Borg would be incinerated by the Super Laser.
Counter: Yeah, IF THEY STOOD COMPLEATLY STILL. I will admit that in the past we have seen the borg impliment the strategy of barreling right through to their target, but assuming that they are able to assimilate either tie pilots or a shuttle crew before they attack the DS then they would have all the knowledge that they needed to mount a propper defense against the super laser. Now some would argue that would not be the case as none off them would know the true power of the SL, but they would know the defenses of the DS, and they would know that the SL was more for destroying larger targets, like planets and moons, then for destroying smaller fast moving targets, like a Cube ship, however for those people i will remind them that the Borg was able to mount an effeective defense agianst the Enterprise when they tried to use the deflector dish weapon in BOBW by simply assimilateing Picard, who would not have known all of the technical stuff (IE, frequency, power output, ect.), short of how the weapon worked.

>there are others of course, but these are the main ones that i can remember. so all i will say in closeing is, here we go agian.

>


Had this debate on another site (star wars). Your right about star wars fans will find or make up something on how their side is going to win. I guess that some star trek fans are the same. Myself I like both franchises. So I try to look at all the factors from both to see how this battle would play out.


yeah, they will bring in some BS power calculation that has no basis in actual canon, and try to use it to justify how overpowered their precious SW weapons are. but what they can't seem to understand is that it don't matter how much power a weapon has, if they can't hit the target it is useless.


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