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The Andorians !!

guillermo.mejía

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Report this May. 28 2011, 10:00 am

I've seen thread dedicated to Vulcans and Romulans lately, so why not a thread for them! Feel free to discuss your opinion on the Andorians, positive or negative.


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Ezri Janeway

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Report this May. 28 2011, 10:10 am

The Andorians didnt get enough air time imo but Ive really enjoyed reading about them and their complex relations in the books. Fascinating people, I really like them.

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Report this May. 28 2011, 10:54 am

I fully agree!


I wonder what the fans' opinions are on the Andorians having 4 sexes. It certaintly gives them a sense of uniqueness in the expanded universe and brings out great story telling, such as in the Typhon Pact book Paths of Disharmony.


However, I was watching the ENT episode Probing Ground, where a member of Shran's cre is having a conversation about military families with Lt. Reed. He dialogue specifically says: "...my mother has...". That line seems to express the fact that they do not have the 4 sex family unit, since it seems contradictory to have a mention one 'mother'.


But then again, the Andorian could have simply been using a human term for the sake of keeping things simple with Malcolm. It's pure speculation in the face of apperantly contradictoy canon, but trying to fit the expanded universe with apperantly contradictory canon is fun!


What do you all think.


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Report this May. 28 2011, 2:24 pm

I admit I am Andorian ignorant. I look forward to hearing from others about this ST species.


 


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Report this May. 28 2011, 3:51 pm

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ May. 28 2011, 10:54 am

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>I fully agree!

>I wonder what the fans' opinions are on the Andorians having 4 sexes. It certaintly gives them a sense of uniqueness in the expanded universe and brings out great story telling, such as in the Typhon Pact book Paths of Disharmony.

>However, I was watching the ENT episode Probing Ground, where a member of Shran's cre is having a conversation about military families with Lt. Reed. He dialogue specifically says: "...my mother has...". That line seems to express the fact that they do not have the 4 sex family unit, since it seems contradictory to have a mention one 'mother'.

>But then again, the Andorian could have simply been using a human term for the sake of keeping things simple with Malcolm. It's pure speculation in the face of apperantly contradictoy canon, but trying to fit the expanded universe with apperantly contradictory canon is fun!

>What do you all think.

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Ill have to dig the titles out but in the post DS9 books, plus Worlds of... Andor Ive read it does explain the 'mother thing' and is mostly so 'couple' species can understand. They do have a different name for the four parents. Same with sexes, they stick with 'he' and 'she' for ease of communicating with most other species.


One of the storylines involved an Andorian 'male' falling for a human female and the difficult decisions he had to make. Interestingly Andorians are a dying breed. Well one child to every 4 adults? Not just any 4 adults either, they have to be compatible and are generally brought together as children. Even if those who could breed many children did, time is running out...


Really interesting stuff. Ill shuffle through my bookshelves later for titles if anyone is interested?


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Report this May. 28 2011, 7:14 pm

I know I'm interested.


I'm ashamed to admit that as big a fan I am of Trek and Andorians, I'm rather ignorant on the DS9 relaunch novels. With Destiny and Typhon Pact's Zero Sum Game, and Paths of Disharmony (plus the Memory Beta site) I've kept generally informed.


Paths does a great job of reintroducing the Andorian society for those like me, but it does not address the 'mother' comment as maybe one of those DS9 novels did.


It sets up the 4 sexes problem, the species dieing conflict, and it's political structure very well. I jsut think it's a great species all around. Even their look is regal and sophisticated!


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Report this May. 28 2011, 8:09 pm

Greetings, Pinkskins.


DS9 itself really didn't have any Andorian characters (except those referenced second-hand, like Bashir's friend Erit and another guy, who had a crush on Lisa Cusack. "He kept pointing his antennae at me every time I walked into the room.") I don't think TNG had many Andorian characters (or even any...) either now that I come to think about it. Of course, might be wrong on that count.


And Quark's joke to Morn: "Then the Andorian says, 'That's not my antenna'." ~~ Can only imagine what that's the punchline to.


The Relaunch books go into a lot of detail however when it comes to exploring Andorian culture, and it is quite fascinating some of the stuff they come up with. The WODS9 "Andor" novel was great in that it really featured no canon characters, but still managed to pull off a good tale.


But then I do like Shar quite a bit as a character, and some of the others he associates with. Seeing any scene with Shran on Enterprise makes me squee. And I guess I don't have to tell you what I think about Andorians generally. (Oh yeah, and I also have an Andorian costume for conventions. Needs a little work, but I have worn it.)


And they look good in ray-bans.



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Report this May. 28 2011, 8:19 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ May. 28 2011, 8:09 pm

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> "He kept pointing his antennae at me every time I walked into the room.")

> (Oh yeah, and I also have an Andorian costume for conventions. Needs a little work, but I have worn it.)

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Now that needs putting on the Quotes thread!


I thought your costume looked great in the pics you showed me!


Shar, thats it, Im terrible with names. I really liked him and loved his story, heartbreaking. I hope they will include Andor in forthcoming stories and give us a few more Andorian lead characters.


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Report this May. 28 2011, 9:53 pm

And Quark's joke to Morn: "Then the Andorian says, 'That's not my antenna'." ~~ Can only imagine what that's the punchline to.


Well, as Star Trek VI's Martia would say: "Not everyone keeps there genitals in the same place."


I would love for more Andor-centric books. It will be interesting now matter what with their new political situation.


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Report this May. 28 2011, 9:54 pm

....And I totally want an Andorian costume!


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Report this May. 28 2011, 11:10 pm

I liked the Andorians in Enterprise. They were interesting. 


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Report this May. 28 2011, 11:46 pm

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ May. 28 2011, 9:54 pm

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>....And I totally want an Andorian costume!

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Well I pretty much made mine. Hence why I say it needs work.


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Report this May. 29 2011, 12:37 am

Data in TNG once said there is need of four Andorians for their marriages. Unfortunately Troi immediatelly cancelled his speech with something absolutely pointless and I would kick her butt for it, cos everyone was surely curious, what's up with the four Andorians.


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Report this May. 29 2011, 7:21 am

Andorians, Vulcans, Humans, and Tellarites were the first four to join the United Federation of Planets.


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Report this May. 29 2011, 7:43 am

Andorians are my hands down favorite race in the Trek universe, well after Cardassians of course.  With that said it surprises me how the current book series involving the Typhoon Pact, etc has Andoria breaking off from the Federation and becoming an independent planet once more. I know they've always been a bit hot headed but this just blows me out of the water. I really hope they come back into the fold...


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