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Just finished season 1... I am under-whelmed...

OtakuJo

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Report this Jul. 18 2011, 12:18 am

Quote: HisRoyalHighnessTheKing @ Jul. 15 2011, 11:29 pm

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>Of all the trek series DS9 is by the most underwhelming. It's boring,the only things it had going for it were Cmdr Worf and the times things were happening on and around the Defiant.

>In other words...."I like the bits where the ship shoots stuff"

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Yay for Defiant shooting stuff.


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Report this Jul. 20 2011, 1:40 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ Jul. 18 2011, 12:18 am

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>Yay for Defiant shooting stuff.

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How boring.

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Report this Jul. 20 2011, 8:52 pm

Quote: tvz @ May. 26 2011, 9:35 am

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>I have seen most of the TOS, most of the TNG, some of VOY, and more of ENT than I wish I had. I finally got around to watching DS9, which I NEVER have watched prior to buying the season 1 box-set. I am done with season1, and I have a few observations..

>1) The relationship between Quark and Odo is highly amusing, and enjoyable. I love the chemisty these 2 characters have with one another. They are such polar opposites, that watching them butt heads, and watching Quark try to outsmart Odo is great tv, IMO. I also enjoyed Nog and Rom as wel.

>2) Major Kira sort of grew on me as the season progressed. "Duet" and "Progress" which both featured Kira, were 2 of my favorite ep. of the season.

>3) However, Sisko, Dax, Bashir, Jake, and OBrien, IMO were totally cardboard characters. I couldnt get into these characters at all. They did nothing for me. Maybe these characters become more developed and interesting later, but IMO theyre not that interesting yet.

>4) There seemed to a recurring theme on DS9, season 1, with viruses/outbreaks occuring on the ship. One outbreak made everyone lose their ability to speak. One made everyones imagination come to life. One made the computer system go haywire. etc. Geez.

>5) The lack of exploration of new worlds disappointed me. Yeah, I know theyre on a space station, but still..it felt lacking in this way.

>So, anyone agree? Disagree? Should I keep watching?

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I was like you as far as never having watched DS9. I HIGHLY advise you to keep watching. I'd wager to say, When you get all the way through, you will be back to see Season 1 again. I rewaly love DS9 now, it is my second favorite of the 5 series. I love the station, I teel now like I know them when I watch it. Give it a shot!!!

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Report this Jul. 20 2011, 10:45 pm

3) However, Sisko, Dax, Bashir, Jake, and OBrien, IMO were totally cardboard characters. I couldnt get into these characters at all. They did nothing for me. Maybe these characters become more developed and interesting later, but IMO theyre not that interesting yet.


You can't expect characters to be developed after only season. DS9 is about slowly establishing who these people are. Then in later seasons, the series adds depth to them.


 4) There seemed to a recurring theme on DS9, season 1, with viruses/outbreaks occuring on the ship. One outbreak made everyone lose their ability to speak. One made everyones imagination come to life. One made the computer system go haywire. etc. Geez.


Same thing happened on TNG during its early seasons. Remember that episode where Picard imagined seeing his dead mother drinking tea in the Enterprise corridor?


5) The lack of exploration of new worlds disappointed me. Yeah, I know theyre on a space station, but still..it felt lacking in this way.


DS9 isn't about exploring redressed Paramount sets and matte paintings of planets. It's about exploring relationships between characters and issues such as family, friendship, religion, war etc...


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Report this Jul. 21 2011, 12:09 am

Quote: Mantaray @ Jul. 20 2011, 1:40 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ Jul. 18 2011, 12:18 am

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>Yay for Defiant shooting stuff.

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How boring.


Hey just 'cos I say I like the space battles doesn't mean I don't love the deeper stuff as well.


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Report this Jul. 21 2011, 7:18 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ Jul. 21 2011, 12:09 am

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>Hey just 'cos I say I like the space battles doesn't mean I don't love the deeper stuff as well.

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Thanks for clarifying.  I thought as much.


 

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Report this Jul. 26 2011, 5:10 pm

I was never a fan of DS9 when it was on TV--It seemed incoherent and dull.

I recently bought all five series and the movies to have a complete collection. I just finished season 2 and am totally hooked. You really do need to start from the beginning and stay with it, in order to truly appreciate it. It's hard to watch a random episode and follow along, without the background info. And unlike a soap opera, there are not constant reminders of what has happened. Viewing this show is kind of a commitment, but it's worth it. Incredibly engrossing.

And like the OP, I wasn't blown away with series one. It didn't start to grab my attention until about 3/4 of the way through, and I really enjoyed series 2. I am going to put the first DVD of series 3 in as soon as I am done with this post.

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Report this Jul. 26 2011, 10:53 pm

I have a question.. I also just started to watch ds9 and have only seen about 3-4 episodes. I have only seen Voyager before (tng and tos in my childhood doesnt count).


 


What is it about Dax? I dont understand her history.. with that creature in her back? She used to be someone else? Is she in another trek series as well?


 


Can you explain it to me?? (have googled her but it doesnt make me any smarter)

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Report this Jul. 26 2011, 11:46 pm

Quote: michaela.lyktberg @ Jul. 26 2011, 10:53 pm

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>I have a question.. I also just started to watch ds9 and have only seen about 3-4 episodes. I have only seen Voyager before (tng and tos in my childhood doesnt count).

>What is it about Dax? I dont understand her history.. with that creature in her back? She used to be someone else? Is she in another trek series as well?

>Can you explain it to me?? (have googled her but it doesnt make me any smarter)

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With more episodes than the three or four, it might make more sense. However...


1. What is it about Dax? hmmmmm.....


2. With that creature on her back? It's called a symbiont, and is actually implanted in her abdomen.


3. She used to be someone else?
ok. Here goes. There are two parts to the entity "Jadzia Dax". Jadzia was originally a humanoid (Trill) girl who elected to be "joined" to what is called a symbiont. The symbiont's name is Dax -- and this is the worm part of their joining.


Got it so far? Jadzia = Humanoid; Dax = Worm.


Now, Dax was previously joined to another humanoid host, called Curzon. During this time, Dax and Curzon merged to become a single entity, and Dax incorporated all of Curzon's memories. There were several other hosts before Curzon, and in every instance, Dax incorporated and passed on their memories to subsequent humanoid hosts to whom it was joined. The reason that Sisko refers to Jadzia as "old man" (even though she is clearly a young woman) is because he was friends with Curzon Dax during his older years.


Now, Jadzia when we meet her is in her twenties, but Dax is over three hundred years old and has been through several joinings. In many respects, the Trill (Jadzia's people) consider all these to be the same person as they are given the continuity of Dax's accumulated memories.


Clear as mud? If there's anything you want clarified, just ask.


4. Is she in another Trek series as well? No. But there is an episode of TNG (The Host) which features an earlier incarnation of the Trill. (DS9 developed / changed the idea as it was presented in The Host.)


 


 


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Report this Jul. 26 2011, 11:50 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ Jul. 26 2011, 11:46 pm

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>3. She used to be someone else?
ok. Here goes. There are two parts to the entity "Jadzia Dax". Jadzia was originally a humanoid (Trill) girl who elected to be "joined" to what is called a symbiont. The symbiont's name is Dax -- and this is the worm part of their joining.

>[Editing. Bear with me.]

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But why does she have the symbiont in her? 


Why did she want it in her?


Why change her name (if Trill was her name)


 


Are these questions expained later in the series?


 


 


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Report this Jul. 26 2011, 11:52 pm

ok so her name is jadzia and Trill was her species and then with the symbiont she added dax to her name, and that is what people call her?

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Report this Jul. 26 2011, 11:56 pm

Hold up I was still editing my previous post. But basically you are on the right track.


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Report this Jul. 27 2011, 12:33 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ Jul. 26 2011, 11:46 pm

Quote: michaela.lyktberg @ Jul. 26 2011, 10:53 pm

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Now, Jadzia when we meet her is in her twenties, but Dax is over three hundred years old and has been through several joinings. In many respects, the Trill (Jadzia's people) consider all these to be the same person as they are given the continuity of Dax's accumulated memories.

Clear as mud? If there's anything you want clarified, just ask.


Ahaa, ok now it is much clearer to me! But are there more "worms" like dax? Are the Trill a people that cannot exist without the worm thingy inside them? Can the dax / worm / live by itself?  Did Jadzia live without one inside her for 20 years?


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Report this Jul. 27 2011, 1:09 am

Yes to the first: The series presents several examples of characters who are "Unjoined" Trill -- in fact, being joined to a symbiont is something which is generally expected to happen only to elite members of their society.


A tentative Yes to the second... But the symbionts cannot survive for long outside of their host, unless they are placed in an environment similar to their natural habitat -- a particular chemical mix found in symbiont pools, or a network of subterranean lakes that are tended by "unjoined" Trill Guardians.


Sorry I didn't see your other questions.


Yes, Jadzia spent much of her early life without a symbiont, through her childhood and early twenties. And for a period she went through a rigorous training and selection process to prove that she was "worthy" to be joined.


Yes, there are other symbionts / worms. And there are other joined Trill (You would see both joined and unjoined characters throughout the series.)


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Report this Jul. 27 2011, 1:10 am

Interresting!

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