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Mr. ______ Spock

Ghostmojo

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Report this May. 23 2011, 1:39 pm

Alluded to in one episode when the Vulcan/Terran was smitten with Leila Kalomi (This Side Of Paradise) - but he explained it was unpronouncable ... was this subject ever addressed in any other medium - books for example?


The subject of Vulcans having another (singular) name is curious. I don't think any others were supposed to have - so why did Spock?


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Treknoir

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Report this May. 23 2011, 2:11 pm

I believe it was the surname that was unpronounceable, that's what Amanda said in Journey to Babel, that it took her many years to learn.


I know in Sarek, by AC Crispin, the author says the surname is complicated, long and deals with birth order, family, and other cultural information. I believe another book actually gives him a surname with a bunch of consonants.


Whether the surname comes first or last, I'm not sure. Some human culutres place it first, others last. Not sure how the Vulcans do it! LOL


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Report this May. 23 2011, 2:14 pm

Thanks for that Treknoir


To coin a phrase ... fascinating


I hope others have more to add ...


So perhaps it's not Mr. _______ Spock ... BUT ... Mr. Spock _______ and presumably Sarek and Sybok would share it (although Sybok's pure Vulcan Princess mother might make it a variation). On the subject of princesses - what do we actually know about Vulcan royalty?


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Treknoir

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Report this May. 23 2011, 2:45 pm

Well, this is what Memory Alpha has on what's known and canon on Vulcans:


http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Vulcan


They say the government is a representative democracy, but there are also princesses, which would assume kings or queens.


So, I'm not sure.


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Ghostmojo

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Report this May. 23 2011, 3:08 pm

It might be something like modern day Germany which still has minor titled people (often with wealth and estates) such as Dukes and Countesses but all living in a federal republic.


These princesses might just be a titled hangover from a regal past or possibly something to do with their religious views.

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Report this May. 24 2011, 6:49 am

I think it's logical (I let be the fact I dont believe their logic) to have a first name or surname, cos (If we count what was said in ST2009) if there are 6 billion Vulcans and, I guess, all of them have short names beginning with T, T'whatever, S, V, X(?), they would be out of names in a very short time and there will be a lot of confusion, awkward situations and misunderstoodings cos of shared names. And the names that would be pronounced similarly (Spahk, Spawk, etc..).


But it's possible he just doesn't want to say it. I'm recently reading a book of the Dune series,where one lady from Bene Gesserit said your first name is your weakness. It's too personal and when someone know it, they can use it for emotional torture of you. It could be a similar thing by Vulcans.


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Treknoir

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Report this May. 24 2011, 7:24 am

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>I think it's logical (I let be the fact I dont believe their logic) to have a first name or surname, cos (If we count what was said in ST2009) if there are 6 billion Vulcans and, I guess, all of them have short names beginning with T, T'whatever, S, V, X(?), they would be out of names in a very short time and there will be a lot of confusion, awkward situations and misunderstoodings cos of shared names. And the names that would be pronounced similarly (Spahk, Spawk, etc..).

>But it's possible he just doesn't want to say it. I'm recently reading a book of the Dune series,where one lady from Bene Gesserit said your first name is your weakness. It's too personal and when someone know it, they can use it for emotional torture of you. It could be a similar thing by Vulcans.

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I agree. The chance that he is the only Spock on Vulcan is slim. And his own father's name is probably just a variation of Surak (perhaps regional pronunciation like we would say John and someone who speak's Spanish says Juan). And Surak is revered, so there are probably a ton of Suraks and variations to the name.


So say you have two Spock's, both sons of Surak/Sarek/Serek/Saurik. How do you know which one is the ambassador's son and which is the son of the local dentist?


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Milo T'Kairum Vega

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Report this May. 24 2011, 8:54 am

xDDD the local dentist, lol.


I'm gonna make a story about a Vulcan dentist named Saurik now xD Just a tiny one-shot.


hahaha.

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Report this May. 24 2011, 9:02 am

Quote: Milo T'Kairum Vega @ May. 24 2011, 8:54 am

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>xDDD the local dentist, lol.

>I'm gonna make a story about a Vulcan dentist named Saurik now xD Just a tiny one-shot.

>hahaha.

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LOL Go for it!


 


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Report this May. 24 2011, 2:06 pm

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Again, that is where the family name would come in.


Well we're on the same page then. Doesn't matter when or how or if it's widely used.


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Report this May. 26 2011, 10:52 am


On the lighter side . . .   Many years ago, at a convention, Jane Wyatt was asked this very question - her answer was . . . Harold.


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Report this May. 26 2011, 12:55 pm

Quote: CaptPapa @ May. 26 2011, 10:52 am

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>On the lighter side . . .   Many years ago, at a convention, Jane Wyatt was asked this very question - her answer was . . . Harold.

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Damn! I was just going to say that. LOL


I believe Leonard Nimoy quoted her on that in his book 'I Am Spock,' too.


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jamesspock1

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Report this May. 26 2011, 1:14 pm

It was said to hard to pronounce twice.


1. Journey to Bable.


2. This side of Paradise.


From what I understand, it was his first name that was in question.

Ghostmojo

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Report this May. 26 2011, 2:48 pm

Naming conventions are interesting.


I guess the answer is, this missing name is a particularly private familial thing and may well translate as something like Spock fruit of the union of Sarek and Amanda (offworlder) etc.


I do seem to remember reading somewhere that it began with an "H" (hence perhaps the Harold joke).


Or maybe its something like the Scandinavian approach? Most (all?) of them follow a convention which goes something like:


Jacob Thorson has a son who get's called Peter Jacobson (Jacob's son - and not Thorson as you might have expected). He in turn has a son who he calls Jacob (after the grandfather) Peterson. When its his turn to procreate he produces Thor Jacobson and then the next might be Lars Thorson etc. etc. ad infinitum...


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Report this Jul. 01 2011, 2:21 pm

Why is it so hard to pronounce Sarekson which is Spock's last name. 


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