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Does Data's quest for humanity make sense?

wissa

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Report this Jun. 15 2011, 9:08 am

Quote: Narada @ May. 18 2011, 9:34 am

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>In the sense that Data was at first created for a sci fi allegory as Pinnochio and a rehash for Spock it makes sense that he is on a quest to understand humanity. He believes it will help explain his own existence more because he was created by a human. This is also an allegory for why humans wish to understand humanity to understand philosophical questions like where did we come from and why are we here.

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^ that.  I thought the whole pinnochio aspect was really overplayed in tng.  To the point where I really didn't like the character anymore.


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Report this Jun. 16 2011, 7:28 pm

I thought it was ridiculous for him to search for humanity.  It felt like they were trying to push humans as model for being better, which I think of as silly.  I think they did better with the Doctor.  Data should have been more focused on understanding himself as a unique creation rather than try to be human.


 


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Report this Jun. 17 2011, 7:05 am

Data is around humans more than anyother species so perhaps he simply wants to master all species he simply started with humans because he was around them most. Maybe he was going to go from humans to andorians to cardassians (if we ever sopped waring with them) to kilngons and evventually to Vulcans so that he would be versed in many different cultures. However he learned you can't learn a culture by reading it on the information super highway but you have to submerse yourselfin that culture from floklore to languages to the foods they eat all of it is an expression of that specific culture wether it's race or species.


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Report this Jun. 18 2011, 9:21 pm

Data's quest IS the opposite of Spock's.  In Star Trek: The Motion Picture, Spock has gone thru the Kohlinar.  He has purged himself of all emotion.  Yet, he did not have the answers he needed.  His life still had no meaning.  Data, on the other hand, began with no emotion (though early episodes indicate otherwise by Brent's facial expressions).  His quest, from the very first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, "Encounter at Farpoint," was TO BE human.  Hence, the *insert sarcasm* subtle Pinocchio allegory.  The Spock/Data journey is even addressed in Unification, Part II.  Spock comments that Data in every way is the Vulcan ideal.  Data points out that Spock identifies himself as Vulcan and has rejected what Data has always tried to achieve.  *Sorry for the lengthy comment*     

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Report this Jun. 19 2011, 2:52 pm

lengthy comments are appreciated and sometimes I think what we have isn't what we want but what someone eles has, begins to have an appeal that what we have doen't so we want what we don't have its the concious mind and it's completly universal.


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Report this Jun. 19 2011, 11:10 pm

Quote: captain saavik @ Jun. 19 2011, 2:52 pm

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>lengthy comments are appreciated and sometimes I think what we have isn't what we want but what someone eles has, begins to have an appeal that what we have doen't so we want what we don't have its the concious mind and it's completly universal.

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Quite true. 

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Report this Jun. 20 2011, 5:14 pm

Quote: Magnoodle @ Jun. 16 2011, 7:28 pm

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>I thought it was ridiculous for him to search for humanity.  It felt like they were trying to push humans as model for being better, which I think of as silly.  I think they did better with the Doctor.  Data should have been more focused on understanding himself as a unique creation rather than try to be human.

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Yes. Humans aren't perfect. I sorta like when aliens put down humans. Maybe that's why I like Doctor Who, he sometimes likes to put down humans. I don't think human is the best role for Data to strive for.


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Report this Jun. 28 2011, 2:27 pm

data knew he couldnt be human...but he followed the human since of wanting to better themselves, grow and learn. in his quest he learned the most human thing you could do...he sacrificed himself for the needs of the many.


 

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Report this Jul. 03 2011, 11:55 pm

I think Data's quest should not have been to be more human, but to fully understand human behavior because it is something beyond his programming. Spock looked down on human emotion and supressed it within himself. Data was all about finding his own humanity. I think the search is one that we face in robotics. We quest to make androids like Data and the gap is their ability to reason and make decisions given an encyclopedia of knowledge, and the rest of our humanity. It was both a way to re-imagine Spock and to tap into our problems, the problems we face as creators, of artificial life.


What rights and responsibilities would we have for that piece of our creation is another twist in the story of Data. It is as much about how we react to Data as it is what he quests to become. We want to create disposable selves. Whether that serves a purpose, or is something we should strive towards, is never really tackled in the show. Would they replace us? They show us how Data could've been with Lore and the danger if computers ever figured out they were smarter than us. But the idea of creating a super-human--stronger, faster, more intelligent--is a scary notion in the real world. We would be replacing ourselves. And this is the future of robotics. We are working on machines that can think. Take WATSON, the Jeopardy Champion. Or the computers in cars meant to keep it running at peak efficiency. They still can't feel anything yet. They don't have to overcome shame or fear of losing or being wrong. They simply do the task.


But in 1986 when the series was conceptionalized, this was the question of computers: there's a gap between human thought, guile, guts, evaluation, human emotions like empathy and sympathy, managing egoes, etc and how fast they can calculate a math problem or research a topic.


We rely on computers for everything now. We are dumbed-down in a sense because the information is always at our fingertips (if we have the internet). We do not need to memorize that much anymore. So there's something about being around the computer that also causes us to change our behavior and that was never explored by the series, either.


 


Should he quest to be human? Yes. Because that is the challenge of robotics and computers--to make them more like us.


Its stories are about the depth and complexity of human interaction and relationships. It studies us and asks us to look within ourselves, to relate, to ask how would we respond to all that is in their world?

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Report this Jul. 04 2011, 2:16 am

I think Data was well aware that he could never become "human", but that he tried to understand human behaviour, partly by emulating it.


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Report this Jul. 16 2011, 10:06 pm

does every one who accpeted themselves for who they are still wants to work on their weaknesses? Does that apply to Data also? I think Data accpeted himself as who he is but is wanting to grow in his weaknesses (which is understanding emotions and having emotion). Why would that be different for Data?


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Report this Jul. 16 2011, 10:16 pm

Yes it makes perfect sense! he was created by a human. made to look human, but be more perfect in every aspect! now here's the kicker, he didn't have emotions. so he longed for having emotions so he would seem more human. little did he know that he had more emotionaal moments than he thinks. He always found certain curiosity in human emotion. hey DATA curiostiy can be an EMOTION!!!

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Report this Jul. 16 2011, 11:39 pm

No sense at all


Data: I wish to be more human


Me: You can't be. You're an android, deal with it, now get out there and manage some operations, twerp

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