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Who’s the Better TOS Captain Based Solely Upon the Pilots?

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Report this May. 12 2011, 7:53 pm


The difficulty in this poll is I’m asking you to overcome 45 years of obvious Kirk bias formed after 3 seasons of TOS and 6 ½ movies.  Go back to 1966, act like you are a producer watching “The Cage” and “Where No Man Has Gone Before”, then decide which actor/character will make the better captain based solely on the 2 pilots.


 


Which character was more compelling and which actor gave the better performance after only their first episode?

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Report this May. 12 2011, 8:57 pm


 



I have to go with Kirk.  I think Jeffery Hunter was a good actor but Pike just seemed a little wooden and cliché. 


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Report this May. 13 2011, 7:25 am

I liked Pike better in the Cage when comparing these 2 pilots. His guilt over the previous mission and compassion for Vina he seemed more like a fallible person rather than the super-captain that Kirk was.


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Report this May. 14 2011, 6:23 pm

I can't make up my mind.  i thought Pike came on REALLY strong.  I have no doubt we wouldn't have had Kirk if Jeffery Hunter had accepted to stick with the show.


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Report this May. 15 2011, 7:31 pm

Just based on characters, I prefer Kirk.


Pike was guilt ridden, full of angst, and generally just a tortured soul.  He seemed like a man who'd been out in space too long.


From a purely character perspective, I don't see how a person like that could've lasted in command.  And definitely not facing the kinds of challenges that Kirk would.


 


Kirk, on the other hand, with his Napolean-sized ego, was born to command.  As we learned in the pilot, and onwards, Kirk would do anything to ensure the safety of his crew or his ship.  He made tough decisions, and did not dwell or linger on those choices.


 


If I had to choose between those captains, I'd go with Kirk.  A captain like Pike would've gotten his crew killed at some point with the types of demons he had in his closet.

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Report this May. 16 2011, 4:09 am

Pike was rejuvenated by the end of the episode, though. I didn't get the sense his character was on a downward spiral. In the Cage, the E was just exiting a fatiguing situation whereas in WNMHGB, the E was heading out of the galaxy exploring. If Kirk had been in Pike's shoes, he probably would have felt similarly.

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Report this May. 16 2011, 4:26 am

Each actor was fine.
Niether character in the pilots were as yet fully developed by the writers still.
However both had about the same degree of back ground explanation set up in each pilot.
Based strictly on personnel taste, Kirk would be IMO the better Captain.

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Report this May. 16 2011, 4:27 am

Each actor was fine.
Niether character in the pilots were as yet fully developed by the writers still.
However both had about the same degree of back ground explanation set up in each pilot.
Based strictly on personnel taste, Kirk would be IMO the better Captain.

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Report this May. 16 2011, 4:32 am

Each actor was fine.
Niether character in the pilots were as yet fully developed by the writers still.
However both had about the same degree of back ground explanation set up in each pilot.
Based strictly on personnel taste, Kirk would be IMO the better Captain.

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Report this May. 20 2011, 3:26 am

I'll say Kirk, because as a character and William Shatner as a actor seemed then and now more polished and well-rounded.


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Report this May. 21 2011, 6:28 am

Kirk. We had to watch him wrestle with murdering his best friend to save the ship, and Shatner was very good in the episode. Pike was an interesting character too, but I feel tha the second pilot was more interesting and set up the captain better.

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Report this May. 22 2011, 3:26 am

Pike is interesting but comes across as very methodical, cold and business-like. He has nothing of the warmth that Kirk has. Kirk has a twinkle in his eye - he has humour as well as purpose. Yes we know that Pike is disillusioned, yes we know he is tired of command. One has too wonder how he ever became captain - his complaints are basically about what a captain has to do. Despite his weariness which stems from caring about who lives and dies under his command, we actually see little in the way of him actually caring about his compatriots in the way he talks to them. With Kirk we can always see his genuine concern and affection for those serving under him.


Had the series developed with Hunter as Pike, rather than with Shatner as Kirk it is arguable if it would have been as good or lasted so long.


We should be grateful for the fact that Hunter and his wife were excessively demanding when they met with Roddenberry to discuss the show's future and he decided not to be bullied into doing what they wanted, rather than what he wanted to do with his new Trek thing.


Ultimately, that meeting was to prove to be very significant. Hunter's leaving ST led him down a path which sadly meant he was never to have any future involvement in Trek. Within a few brief years he suffered from strokes and an untimely death. Had he survived there might have been a possibility to reinvolve him in the later development of Trek as it grew and grew.


Shatner/Kirk was and is far superior to Hunter/Pike in just about every way conceivable. To be fair - and to accept your premise, even just based upon the two pilots Shatner/Kirk is clearly the winner. The camera loves him as do the surrounding actors. He is more natural and empathetic.


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Report this May. 22 2011, 8:42 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ May. 16 2011, 4:09 am

>Pike was rejuvenated by the end of the episode, though. I didn't get the sense his character was on a downward spiral. In the Cage, the E was just exiting a fatiguing situation whereas in WNMHGB, the E was heading out of the galaxy exploring. If Kirk had been in Pike's shoes, he probably would have felt similarly.
True, nut then again, I've seen Kirk handle crewmen's deaths (redshirts!!) pretty well actually.


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Report this May. 22 2011, 9:18 pm

We all forget about the man who first Captianed the Enterprise… Christopher Pike. Shouldn't he get some recognition. I mean the man was the first to pilot Starship NCC-1701, and the first actor to take a crack at being a Captain aboard a spaceship in a sci-fi show..  

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Report this May. 23 2011, 1:12 pm

Quote: NCC-1701 Canada @ May. 22 2011, 9:18 pm

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>We all forget about the man who first Captianed the Enterprise… Christopher Pike. Shouldn't he get some recognition. I mean the man was the first to pilot Starship NCC-1701, and the first actor to take a crack at being a Captain aboard a spaceship in a sci-fi show..  

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First actor and first TV captain maybe, but history has proved that he actually followed on from Captain Robert April - who was the very first commander of the NCC-1701


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