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Star Trek III : The Search For Spock

Ghostmojo

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Report this May. 08 2011, 3:27 am

Having watched it again recently, I feel this film is much better than it is often given credit for.


It tends to fall into the shadow cast by TWOK and is often seen as a weak follow-up - but I disagree. I think it not only finishes off that story as audience wishes, but does it with considerable style.


It focusses upon friendships, loyalties, commitment. There are some very moving scenes between the various leads and perhaps a greater understanding develops between Vulcan and Human, with Sarek in particular being struck by what his son's deep friendship with Kirk really means - and seeing the value and true meaning of it.


As with its predecessor the viewer is brought to tears on several occasions in the denoument and how many Trek offerings have actually illicited such a response? That is real dramatic story-telling and that is audience participation at a very meaningful level.


Having begun to realise how much these characters mean to you at the close of STII:TWOK, you suddenly realise how much we really love them at the end of the third film. The final scene of the reunion and gathering around of the gang readmitting Spock to the fractured 'family' is one of the best moments in all Trek history.


This film is about 'the gang'; the group - the collective. It reinforces the fact that a five year mission and a handfull of subsequent incidents have bonded this group so tightly that not even Star Fleet Command is going to get in the way of their new 'mission'.


And that is when you know you have really succeeded. When a bunch of characters go off-script, departing from eveything they have previously stood by in terms of career path, behaviour and obedience; and make their own 'prime directive' one of saving McCoy's sanity; Spock's katra and Kirk's soul ... then the concept of a group of adventurers on their wagon train to the stars has reached another level altogether.


As well as providing a satisying conclusion to TWOK and setting the scene for the reckoning still to come in STIV:TVH; TSFS is more than a 'closing' or 'bridging' film. In STII Kirk gains a son and loses a friend. In STIII he regains his friend at the cost of his son. Add to that the other painful loss - to Kirk, to Scotty and to all of them - of the last stand of the original starship Enterprise and this film really is all about closing one chapter and beginning another...


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Vger23

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Report this May. 08 2011, 12:28 pm

I absolutely thinik TSFS is an underrated Trek film. It's my second-favorite after TWOK. It typically gets mixed responses from fans and critics, though, and I guess there's some reason for that. The plot is a bit shakey / questionable in points, you have an inferior Saavik replacement and ultimately, the resolution is never in doubt.


THAT ASIDE, however...


Star Trek III: The Search For Spock has all the heart, drama, and wit of any of the best TOS episodes. One critic wrote that "this is when the franchise still took itself seriously," and it may have been the last such TOS movie.  It has some great points going for it:


1. It's a story about family and friendship being put to the ultimate test, and it's about Kirk's ultimate actions as a man. Kirk knows that his brother has sacrificed his life for the crew and ship, and Kirk knows that he must now sacrifice potentially everything to make things right. It's a powerful, dramatic plot if what you value in Star Trek are the relationships.


2. Being a movie about "Kirk's ultimate actions as a man," it is also one of Shatner's best performances as Kirk. He is subtle, sincere, and intense throughout the course of the film, and every time we need Shatner to sell a moment as Kirk (mind meld with Sarek, pleading with Morrow, reacting to David's death and deciding to destroy the Enterprise), he pulls it off better than ever.


3. The plot, while somewhat flawed in technical terms, is (or WAS at the time) unique for a Trek story. The crew of the Enterprise goes "pirate" and steals the ship to save the soul of their friend. The scene where they steal the Enterprise from Spacedock is one of the best in the film franchise.


4. This movie probably did more to expand the Trek universe than any other. This film introduced the spacedock, Excelsior-class ships, the Oberth-class ships, and the Klingon Bird of Prey, all of which would be integral in Trek through the course of the 80's and 90's. It also created the TRUE "new Klingon" (TMP set the visual style, but here personalities and individualized looks came out), the template of which is still followed today.


5. Christopher Lloyd is fantastic as Lord Kruge who, in my opinion, is the second-best villian of the film franchise. I'll take Kruge over a bland, aristocratic, General Chang every day. Kruge possesses the menace, obsessiveness, and brutality that has not really been matched by any Klingon villian since.


6. The soundrack and special effects are quite god. It's unfortunate that the Genesis shooting couldn't have taken place on location, but they really made the best of it.


Bottom line is that any Trek that is about the family and camradarie of the characters we have come to love so much is definitely worth it's weight.


TSFS will always be one of my favorites.

coastcityo

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Report this May. 08 2011, 2:55 pm

it is in my portion of Trek films I really enjoy, not on top, but in the mix of "let's watch that one". I really love watching 2-4 as a mini-marathon whenever I can.

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Report this May. 08 2011, 4:22 pm

It was a good movie, and I agree that it is overshadowed by TWOK


rocketscientist

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Report this May. 08 2011, 7:34 pm

Very well put Ghostmojo and V'Ger.  I'm in agreement with you guys. 


Why is TSFS underrated?  Well, first, it's sandwiched in between TWOK and TVH, two of the best ST films.  Second, it's an odd-numbered ST film and is associated with the "rotten" (according to rottentomatoes.com) ST films, TMP, TFF, GEN, and INS.  The even-odd rule is obviously bogus though, because, in point of fact, not only is TSFS a good film for all the reasons Ghostmojo and V'Ger eloquently stated. 


From Rottentomatoes.com, here are the ratings, the percentage of favorable reviews from professional critics, of all the franchise's films from best to worst:


        Rank  Film                  Year      % Positive Reviews Fresh/Rotten (>60% = Fresh)






1
  ST XI
2009
94
  Fresh


2
  FC
1996
92
  Fresh


3
  TWOK
1982
90
  Fresh


4
  TVH
1986
84
  Fresh


5
  TUC
1991
83 
Fresh


   6 
TSFS
1984
77
  Fresh



INS
1998
55 
Rotten


8
 TMP
1979
47
  Rotten


9  
GEN
1994
45
  Rotten


10 
NEM
2002
37
  Rotten


11 
TFF
1989
21 
Rotten



As can be seen, TSFS, while being ranked 6th overall, still has a rating of 77%.  I'd call that a very good film.  It is a whopping 22% higher than INS, the first of the "rotten" films.


Not only is TSFS a success with critics, it was also a box office success. 


In terms of domestic box office, adjusted for 2009 dollars, the franchise's films work out as the plot below, taken from trekmovie.com:



As can be seen, TSFS's box office is the fifth highest of the franchise.  It exceeds all the TNG films.


It was also the fifth highest film in terms of profit. 


So, based on this, I don't see how anyone can argue that TSFS was a bad perfomer at theaters.  That simpy isn't true.  It certainly shouldn't be grouped with the "rotten" films, TMP, TFF, GEN, INS, and NEM.   


 


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Vger23

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Report this May. 08 2011, 8:03 pm

Quote: rocketscientist @ May. 08 2011, 7:34 pm

>

>Very well put Ghostmojo and V'Ger.  I'm in agreement with you guys. 

>Why is TSFS underrated?  Well, first, it's sandwiched in between TWOK and TVH, two of the best ST films.  Second, it's an odd-numbered ST film and is associated with the "rotten" (according to rottentomatoes.com) ST films, TMP, TFF, GEN, and INS.  The even-odd rule is obviously bogus though, because, in point of fact, not only is TSFS a good film for all the reasons Ghostmojo and V'Ger eloquently stated. 

>From Rottentomatoes.com, here are the ratings, the percentage of favorable reviews from professional critics, of all the franchise's films from best to worst:

>        Rank  Film                  Year      % Positive Reviews Fresh/Rotten (>60% = Fresh)

>1   ST XI 2009 94   Fresh 2   FC 1996 92   Fresh 3   TWOK 1982 90   Fresh 4   TVH 1986 84   Fresh 5   TUC 1991 83  Fresh    6  TSFS 1984 77   Fresh INS 1998 55  Rotten 8  TMP 1979 47   Rotten 9   GEN 1994 45   Rotten 10  NEM 2002 37   Rotten 11  TFF 1989 21  Rotten

>As can be seen, TSFS, while being ranked 6th overall, still has a rating of 77%.  I'd call that a very good film.  It is a whopping 22% higher than INS, the first of the "rotten" films.

>Not only is TSFS a success with critics, it was also a box office success. 

>In terms of domestic box office, adjusted for 2009 dollars, the franchise's films work out as the plot below, taken from trekmovie.com:

>

>As can be seen, TSFS's box office is the fifth highest of the franchise.  It exceeds all the TNG films.

>It was also the fifth highest film in terms of profit. 

>So, based on this, I don't see how anyone can argue that TSFS was a bad perfomer at theaters.  That simpy isn't true.  It certainly shouldn't be grouped with the "rotten" films, TMP, TFF, GEN, INS, and NEM.   

>


Great post. I posted some similar facts last week in response to one of DammitJim's tirades. I also find it fascinating that Star Trek: First Contact, which is TNG's crowning achievement at the box office, is not even in the top 5 in box office returns.


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Blockman

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Report this May. 08 2011, 8:22 pm

"Yeah, I know, Jerry will tell you that The Wrath of Khan is the better picture, but for me, I always prefered The Search for Spock"

iBorg13

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Report this May. 08 2011, 10:58 pm

ServalanFan, I liked Robin Curtis as Saavik too. She's the face I think of when you say, "Saavik".
I don't think TSFS is hated, I just think people over look it. A while back, I hadn't seen all the ST films and TSFS was my favourite... equal with TWOK. Thats changed, but I thoroughlly enjoyed it... haven't seen it in ages, will have to sometime.

2takesfrakes

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Report this May. 09 2011, 6:07 am

THE SEARCH for SPOCK is MY favorite STAR TREK movie.


It's VERY Shakespearian, and reflects it MUCH better
than THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY could, despite that picture's
UNRELENTING Shakespeare quotes that were seldom used effectively.


Thunder, insanity, death, sacrifice ... all trademarks of The Bard,
and found in sufficient measure within this very entertaining sequel ...


Vger23

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Report this May. 09 2011, 7:07 am

Quote: 2takesfrakes @ May. 09 2011, 6:07 am

>

>THE SEARCH for SPOCK is MY favorite STAR TREK movie.

>It's VERY Shakespearian, and reflects it MUCH better
than THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY could, despite that picture's
UNRELENTING Shakespeare quotes that were seldom used effectively.

>Thunder, insanity, death, sacrifice ... all trademarks of The Bard,
and found in sufficient measure within this very entertaining sequel ...

>


 


I agree. Having a  shameless array of Shakespear quotes placed throughout a film does not automatically make it "literary" or "relevant." I always hated Meyer's over-indulgance in TUC, and it's one of the reasons that film does not resonate as well with me. That stuff, and some of the tounge-in-cheek "wink-wink" humor took me right out of the story in TUC.


TSFS picks up on the THEMES, which is far more important than having someone with a great voice quote the LINES.


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t.bexon

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Report this May. 09 2011, 4:58 pm

The Search for Spock is highly underrated. It has a good villain, good plot, and a good lesson and theme

guillermo.mejía

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Report this May. 09 2011, 5:46 pm

It always puzzled me that people felt that STIII followed the curse of the odd numbered films being weaker. I wasn't around when it was released, but it was the first ST film I ever saw, and I needed no background information on who this people were to understand it. That si testiment in my mind that it stands as a great movie all on it's own.


Of course you need TWOK to truelly get the story but I got the general idea with the little black and white video where I see Spock die: There was some kind of emergency and Spock died saving the ship. It also helped that Khan wasn't mentioned so i wasn't too confused.


Not to mention all the strong character momens such as McCoy at the bar (Vulcan neck Pinch included), Scotty with his one liners (his wagon grandmother), Sulu kicking momentary butt and Klingons! Not to mention you have Kirk kicking butt for the first time since TOS and the destruction of the Enterprise. i barely knew anything bout Trek, but the first time I saw that, i knew I was seeing something special.


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Matthias Russell

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Report this May. 10 2011, 5:27 am

I think it is like Empire Strikes Back. The fans think it is among the best. The casual viewer finds the story mediocre and not as good as the one before it.

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Report this May. 10 2011, 7:42 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ May. 10 2011, 5:27 am

>I think it is like Empire Strikes Back. The fans think it is among the best. The casual viewer finds the story mediocre and not as good as the one before it.


Uh, not sure I agree with that SW analogy, Matthias.  If anything, I think Empire was received better than SW was.  On rottentomatoes.com, it has a rating of 97% while SW has one of 94%. 


Personally, ESB is my absolute favorite of the SW saga, with "A New Hope"/"Star Wars" right behind it.  I love that film!


 


 


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Matthias Russell

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Report this May. 10 2011, 11:11 am

You and your rotten tomatoes! Don't you have rotten diapers to worry about? LOL

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