ATTENTION: The Boards will be closed permanently on May 28th, 2014. Posting will be disabled on April 28th, 2014. More Info

religion in star trek

eutychus

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 124

Report this May. 06 2011, 7:34 pm

I think you had a sense of religion in TOS to some degree. In The Ultimate Computer Dr. daystrom made arguments that the computer had violated "the laws of God and man" by killing a starship crew in a wargame. Bread and Circuses referenced the Son of God at the end. Uhura says "But you don't understand, It's not the sun up in the sky. It's the Son of God" and everyone on the bridge becomes thoughtful at the idea, as if to imply a sense of reverence. This residual respect for faith related matters of course disappears by the time of TNG because by the time production began our culture had made God a persona non grata (person without grace. Get the implied irony there?) in the studio.


BTW, I have no problem with religion, which is man's efforts to reach God, dying out as this process is a futile one. I don't think you will ever see faith totally disappear. There will always be folks who will buck the trends of the culture, who will see the unexpected consequences of jumping off an intellectual cliff into the sea like a herd of swine.

Vger23

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 6799

Report this May. 06 2011, 8:40 pm

Quote: /view_profile/ @

>

>One major theme of Star Trek is that no matter how far technology progresses, the human problems and the human psyche stay the same. Yet I notice, in Star Trek, a conspicuous lack of religion. Religion, thoe it's beginning to die out, is as much a part of the human psyche as language. The lack of it is a dramatic change. Is it ever stated where religion went, or why we don't see it any more? It's touched upon in Who Mourns for Adonais, TOS, but the message very outright. I gather that in the 23rd century, humanity believes in one god, but does not worship that god so much as feel occasional gratitude, and that mostly for past support. Is that seen as a natural progression of the trends we'd seen in religion at the time Star Trek was created?

>


 


The Enterprise had a chapel that was shown on more than one occasion. What use would a fully dedicated chapel have if members of the crew were not regularly attending some form of worship session?


I AM KEE-ROCK!!

coastcityo

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 601

Report this May. 06 2011, 8:57 pm

You need to watch DS9 if you want more of Starfleets thoughts on religion

OtakuJo

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 16362

Report this May. 07 2011, 3:57 am

Yes DS9 is very heavy in religion because the Dominion, the Bajorans, and even the Klingons all have very strong religious / spiritual beliefs. And they are all distinct. It's great.


The Federation itself seems to have largely abandoned religion, although it still holds to aspects of certain belief systems (Not just Earth-based though) it seems. Earth religions -- Christianity, Buddhism, Hindu, Islam etc go largely unmentioned. The 22nd century Vulcans at least were very spiritual in Enterprise.


I quite like DS9's attitude to religion in general as it seems much more balanced than the usual sci-fi dogma. There are also some very interesting essays on the subject of religion in Star Trek that I have read for my own study / essay writing.


Got a book entitled Religion in Star Trek from internet shopping, which I fully intend to read some day!


Have you ever danced with a Tribble in the pale moonlight?

Sigurth

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 67

Report this May. 07 2011, 7:42 am

i think in most of the eps i've seen the message is that religion, like everything else, is fine in moderation. lots of examples of zealots or thier counterparts trying to destroy things and other people, and even whole groups and races of other people.

267198ed

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 2871

Report this May. 07 2011, 10:37 am

http://www.amazon.com/Religions-Star-Trek-Ross-Kraemer/dp/0813341159/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1304789656&sr=8-3


There is a book all about the religions of ST.


Jolan Tru, may your day be filled with peace.

eutychus

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 124

Report this May. 07 2011, 12:20 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ May. 06 2011, 8:40 pm

>

>The Enterprise had a chapel that was shown on more than one occasion. What use would a fully dedicated chapel have if members of the crew were not regularly attending some form of worship session?

>


I thought of that a minute after I posted my last thought. Balance of Terror came to mind and it was used for a wedding ceremony. Wish I could recall the particulars of the ceremony, as in Whose name was invoked to lend an air of solemnity to the occasion.


A cassette guy in an I-pod world

padracin

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 325

Report this May. 07 2011, 7:31 pm

Quote: eutychus @ May. 07 2011, 12:20 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ May. 06 2011, 8:40 pm

>

>

>The Enterprise had a chapel that was shown on more than one occasion. What use would a fully dedicated chapel have if members of the crew were not regularly attending some form of worship session?

>

I thought of that a minute after I posted my last thought. Balance of Terror came to mind and it was used for a wedding ceremony. Wish I could recall the particulars of the ceremony, as in Whose name was invoked to lend an air of solemnity to the occasion.


You're quite right. about the wedding in the chapel.  My admittedly rusty memory of the scene was that the bride knelt and prayed in the beginning while everyone else stood respectfully at attention.  The ceremony that followed was the traditional right of the captain of a ship to conduct marriages.   My interpretation of it at the time was that different faiths and lack of faiths were all equally respected in that society.

OtakuJo

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 16362

Report this May. 07 2011, 10:37 pm

Quote: 267198ed @ May. 07 2011, 10:37 am

>

>http://www.amazon.com/Religions-Star-Trek-Ross-Kraemer/dp/0813341159/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1304789656&sr=8-3

>There is a book all about the religions of ST.

>


Oh yeah that's the one I was talking about before. Cheers.


Religions of Star Trek by Ross S. Kraemer et al.


Have you ever danced with a Tribble in the pale moonlight?

267198ed

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 2871

Report this May. 08 2011, 7:34 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ May. 07 2011, 10:37 pm

Quote: 267198ed @ May. 07 2011, 10:37 am

>

>http://www.amazon.com/Religions-Star-Trek-Ross-Kraemer/dp/0813341159/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1304789656&sr=8-3

>There is a book all about the religions of ST.

>

Oh yeah that's the one I was talking about before. Cheers.

Religions of Star Trek by Ross S. Kraemer et al.



Yes, it proved to be a very interesting read.

Jolan Tru, may your day be filled with peace.

whoman69

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 977

Report this May. 09 2011, 11:30 am

Quote: /view_profile/ @

>

>i think by TNG they pretty much don't believe in any Supernatural Being

>Picard pretty much insults belief in the Supernatural.

>http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18338507/Picard%20on%20Religion.wmv

>


This is hardly Picard saying there is no supernatural.  He objects to being the basis of a false religion.  In another episode Troi asks Picard on his impressions of the possibility of an afterlife.  Perhaps you should be quoting directly on his religious views instead of his steadfast refusal to violate the Prime Directive.


I really fail to see why those who have no faith always want to ridicule those who do.  Religion is not going away.  George Bush won election twice largely on pulling together a religious base.  Attacks are made on the United States based on religion.


Granted both of those examples are of those who would subvert religious teachings to their own benefit, but religion is alive and well despite all the attacks on it.


Lt. Commander Max McGillicuddy USS Vesuvius, Commanding http://ussbeowulf.kersare.net/sms/

dfoxx007

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 31

Report this May. 09 2011, 1:56 pm

With a franchise this old, with so many writers, it's hard to pin down a solid picture of religion in the trek universe. GR himself was a hardore atheist


TOS and TNG loved that plot where the natives are being held back by some deity and after some poking and prodding, the hero's figure out the deity is actually a disgruntled computer.(The Apple) or imposter "What does god need with a starship?"


At the same time, TOS dropped several hints that contradict that worldview. Kirk's "we find the one sufficient" comment or the chapel in Balance of Terror.


After GR died, trek seemed to go with "If you're a scientist they're "wormhole aliens", if you're religious, they're the  Prophets." stance.


 

OtakuJo

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 16362

Report this May. 09 2011, 6:59 pm

Quote: dfoxx007 @ May. 09 2011, 1:56 pm

>

>With a franchise this old, with so many writers, it's hard to pin down a solid picture of religion in the trek universe. GR himself was a hardore atheist

>TOS and TNG loved that plot where the natives are being held back by some deity and after some poking and prodding, the hero's figure out the deity is actually a disgruntled computer.(The Apple) or imposter "What does god need with a starship?"

>


iMac is GOD!!!


Regarding the religion being "hard to pin down" ~~ I think that actually makes the Star Trek universe more real. Just as religion is varied and mutable in the real world, there are many different attitudes in Trek, which makes for an authentically complex representation.


Have you ever danced with a Tribble in the pale moonlight?

Lieutenant_Jedi

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 1728

Report this May. 09 2011, 7:18 pm

Generally the only religions shown are from "minority" or "alien" cultures. 


 


This conforms to the "liberal/humanist" worldview that is prevalent today: Religion is fine for minority cultures and should be protected along with those cultures, but is really anachronistic for the "mainstream" "educated" masses. 


"Can you detect midi - chlorians with a tricorder?"

Vger23

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 6799

Report this May. 09 2011, 7:54 pm

I think there are the "fan views," which are typically bent and twisted to service their OWN beliefes...


OR


There's the more obvious truth that Star Trek, as with all things, respects the diversity of beliefs amongst various cultures and beings.


I love watching fans squirm around and debate "Star Trek's view on religion," when really what they are doing is debating their own views and trying to prove how Star Trek agrees with them.  For a culture of people who supposedly values diversity and tolerance, I've never seen such self-absorbed, self-assured ugliness on the topic of religion as I see from Star Trek fans.


I AM KEE-ROCK!!

Forum Permissions

You cannot post new topics in this forum

You cannot reply to topics in this forum

You cannot delete posts in this forum