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## Imagine in a thousand years we discover we are the only intelligent life in the universe.

2takesfrakes

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Report this May. 14 2011, 11:27 pm

If we are the only intelligent life in the universe,
I wouldn't be a bit surprised. Dinosaurs ruled the Earth
for what - 250 MILLION (!!!) years. And what did they have
to show for it? Some fossils. And the only OTHER species to
reach Human awareness was Neanderthals. One's ego is surprisingly
hard to arrive at, in the Natural Kingdom. For a LONG time, we were
aware, but didn't know what to do with it ... it was that unnatural ...
Unfortunately, other than pets, it doesn't appear that the rest of the animal
kingdom is as impressed with Humanity as Humans are. I can't say I blame them.

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Report this May. 15 2011, 3:49 pm

 Quote: /view_profile/ @ >  >  >  > style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">  class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"> style="line-height: 115%; font-size: 10pt;"> style="font-family: Calibri;"> style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  > style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">  class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"> style="line-height: 115%; font-size: 10pt;"> style="font-family: Calibri;">Oh, and to the two Christians from page 2: G-d made us in his image insofar as we have creative ability. G-d does not have a body. That is explicitly stated in the Torah. So it's impossible for humanity to be made "in the image" of a god who has no image. It's the most poorly translated and misunderstood verse of the entire Torah. So, sorry to disabuse you of an illusion that I'm sure is rooted purely in faith, but if you check out what I've told you, perhaps with a rabbi, you'll find it's entirely possible for another species to have creative ability. Do you honestly think the god of the entire universe would pick only one measley (sp?) planet orbiting a humdrum star in the outskirts of one galaxy out of thousands, and put his one and only self-portrait on this planet? How disastrously arrogant. > style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">  class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"> style="line-height: 115%; font-size: 10pt;"> style="font-family: Calibri;"> style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> Please do not interpret the above as an insult to Christianity; I have no problem with the religion in general. Just certain specific beliefs, like the one about which I've just ranted, really irritate me, and I feel a need to express that. > style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">  class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"> style="line-height: 115%; font-size: 10pt;"> style="font-family: Calibri;">

I'm a Christian and I agree with you completely. I never understood that particular Biblical passage to mean that we physically look like God but rather we have some of God's characteristics. We are of God but not God. One of the things that amazes me is how people on extreme ends of the religion spectrum seem to lose sight of the fact that the Bible (which I do believe to be the Word of God) is not and never was intended to be an absolute and complete record of the universe and its mysteries. It is meant to help and guide humans in their relationship with God . Period. It is not a science manual. It is not a record of all things that have occurred in the universe. It is human-focused but does not exclude the possibility of other life in the cosmos. In Genesis 1 God says, "let us make man in our image." Now this is all my opinion, but the "our" is very ambiguous. I know many assume God was referencing angels or the Trinity, but what if that was not the case? I have expressed before that I think humans are not alone in the universe and that we really aren't that special.

It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want. - Spock

Ezri Janeway

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Report this May. 16 2011, 3:42 am

Its funny, in the 50's and 60's the idea of intelligent alien life would put the fear of god into most people, it was even scarier than the 'commies'. These days the idea is almost exciting.

Treknoir

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Report this May. 16 2011, 8:27 am

 Quote: Ezri Janeway @ May. 16 2011, 3:42 am > >Its funny, in the 50's and 60's the idea of intelligent alien life would put the fear of god into most people, it was even scarier than the 'commies'. These days the idea is almost exciting. >

Well, now it depends. I would be excited to meet aliens if it was something like when humans met Vulcans in FC.

And then there's first contact like in Independence Day. Folks just partying like it's 1999 and then ZAP-BOOM.

It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want. - Spock

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Report this May. 16 2011, 12:18 pm

Treknoir, I am Christian. However, I believe religion has held mankind back. Imagine where we would be today if we didn't have all the religious wars throughout history. It saddens me to know the amount of money we are spending to fight these religious nuts. We could put that money to space exploration. I want to see the Universe! If I was President I would make space exploration at least a third of the budget. Future generations will explore space, and that pisses me off. We have to pretend!

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Report this May. 16 2011, 3:37 pm

 Quote: Treknoir @ May. 16 2011, 8:27 am > >And then there's first contact like in Independence Day. Folks just partying like it's 1999 and then ZAP-BOOM. >  >

Please tell me Im not the only person who found that scene hilarious?

"Let me see if Ive got this straight. You're risking the ship, the crew, and the mission on the assumptions that Helkara and Leishman are engineering geniuses, Tharp is a piloting savant, our transporter chief can work miracles, and the Breen are unwilling to sacrifice themselves in a kamikaze attack?" "Yup." "Damn I LOVE this job."

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Report this May. 16 2011, 3:46 pm

 Quote: sweatervested1 @ May. 16 2011, 12:18 pm > >Future generations will explore space, and that pisses me off. We have to pretend! >

I hear that. But we do now have phones and pads that look and work a little like the padds in Trek so our props to help us pretend are much better these days.    Oh but what I wouldnt give for transporter technology so I could just pop in to see a friend on the other side of the world. Sigh...

"Let me see if Ive got this straight. You're risking the ship, the crew, and the mission on the assumptions that Helkara and Leishman are engineering geniuses, Tharp is a piloting savant, our transporter chief can work miracles, and the Breen are unwilling to sacrifice themselves in a kamikaze attack?" "Yup." "Damn I LOVE this job."

Treknoir

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Report this May. 16 2011, 3:54 pm

Quote: Ezri Janeway @ May. 16 2011, 3:37 pm

 Quote: Treknoir @ May. 16 2011, 8:27 am > > >And then there's first contact like in Independence Day. Folks just partying like it's 1999 and then ZAP-BOOM.  >

Please tell me Im not the only person who found that scene hilarious?

LOL Only because we knew they were dead before a single ray was fired. If aliens show up in GINORMOUS ships and don't try to make immediate contact (sending an envoy, a message, something), they just sittin' and chillaxin' in their saucers, know that it's about to get all sorts of apocalyptic on this planet. I need to carry my family to a deep cave with a stockpile of spam, tissue, bottled water and weapons.

It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want. - Spock

Firby

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Report this Jun. 02 2011, 11:36 pm

Well it is higly unlikely to be the only intelligent life form so if there isnt anyhting...

An awful waste of space!

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Report this Jun. 03 2011, 5:56 am

I'm not sure most of you realize just how rare a thing life is.  And then, just how rare a thing complex life is.  And then, just how rare a thing intellegent life is.  And then, just how rare a thing industrialized intellegent life is...

The odds of running into aliens during the entire existance of mankind is statistically nill.

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Report this Jun. 04 2011, 9:17 am

$N = R^{\ast} \cdot f_p \cdot n_e \cdot f_{\ell} \cdot f_i \cdot f_c \cdot L \!$
http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/SETI/drake_equation.html

Xtwozero

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Report this Jun. 04 2011, 9:39 am

If you are curious about future technologies then it would be a rational gamble to opt for suspended animation as a means to travel forward in time. In technological terms it is not unreasonable to predict that cellular repair at the molecular level (nanotechnology) will become available before space travel at, or approaching, the speed of light.  You should be back before the first warp speed 'Trek'!!

www.alcor.org

....and before you ask I booked my passage a long time ago.

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Report this Jun. 04 2011, 2:24 pm

I would be pissed. Then again, I wouldn't be alive, so why should I care?

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Report this Jun. 04 2011, 3:02 pm

I wouldn't mind - it means we have the whole universe or at least galaxy! LOL! I love that word Treknoir, Chillaxin'!

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