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Beershark

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Report this Apr. 26 2011, 1:03 am

Are there no enlisted ranks in starfleet? Other than the ocassional Chief, there doesn't seem to be.


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Report this Apr. 26 2011, 2:41 am

Crewman, Crewman First Class, Petty Officer, Chief Petty Officer.


Remember too that TOS and TNG are set on the Federation flagship(s) -- Enterprise -- and that most of the central characters there are the elite of those respective crews. (Senior Officers and often Department Heads.) So for that reason alone, we are going to see less of the enlisted ranks.


True there are a lot of Ensigns on the Enterprise D, but also you do run into the occasional Crewman. Same with other ships. When the Enterprise crew interact with those on another ship, they're more likely to be interacting with that ship's Captain and if not him/her...it? then with the core elite of their respective crews.


And also, Chief Petty Officer Miles Edward O'Brien...um... Okay we'll save that discussion for a little later.


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Report this Apr. 26 2011, 2:44 am

ENT had plenty of crewmen... yep... thats all I had to say.


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Report this Apr. 26 2011, 8:14 am

all ships have cremen. go to memory alpha and check out the rank list.

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Report this Apr. 26 2011, 8:34 am

Quote: Beershark @ Apr. 26 2011, 1:03 am

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>Are there no enlisted ranks in starfleet? Other than the ocassional Chief, there doesn't seem to be.

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Of course there are! The focus has been on the officers. You don't really think the majority of the crew are officers do you?


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Report this Apr. 27 2011, 5:39 pm

What I don't understand though is how someone like Cheif O Brien can be in charge of Engineering on Ds9 when that included officers.  So does it mean anything to be enlisted or not as far rank goes?

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Report this Apr. 28 2011, 11:29 am

TOS gave more thought to showing and sticking to a military ranking system. On TNG forward, they stopped carrying as much and didn't seem to give as much thought to maintaining a realistic ranking system with a thoroughly tiered hierarchy. As a kid thus didn't bother me, but as I work in industry and am familiar with military ranking, it does bother me that the organization seems poorly organized.

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Report this Apr. 28 2011, 11:35 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Apr. 28 2011, 11:29 am

>TOS gave more thought to showing and sticking to a military ranking system. On TNG forward, they stopped carrying as much and didn't seem to give as much thought to maintaining a realistic ranking system with a thoroughly tiered hierarchy. As a kid thus didn't bother me, but as I work in industry and am familiar with military ranking, it does bother me that the organization seems poorly organized.


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Report this Apr. 28 2011, 11:41 pm

And then there's those random guys wearing yellow on TOS doing maintenacne work or whatever. Like a combination between a redshirt and a........ janitor, I guess. Always the first one down when the console explodes.


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Report this Apr. 29 2011, 5:21 am

Yes, those were the enlisted man.  But as I said, they went away in the 24th century shows.

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Report this Jun. 09 2011, 4:48 am

I just watched VOY: "Good Shepherd" and noticed Voyager appeared to have enlisted ranks.  The 3 principle characters in the episode wore no pips on their collars and were simply referred to as "crewman". 

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Report this Jun. 09 2011, 5:23 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Apr. 28 2011, 11:29 am

>TOS gave more thought to showing and sticking to a military ranking system. On TNG forward, they stopped carrying as much and didn't seem to give as much thought to maintaining a realistic ranking system with a thoroughly tiered hierarchy. As a kid thus didn't bother me, but as I work in industry and am familiar with military ranking, it does bother me that the organization seems poorly organized.


I got the impression it didnt matter so much because organisation wasnt at all poor and worked well without the strict military way of doing things. Everyone knew their jobs and did them to the best of their ability and everyone had the oppertunity to move up in ranks. But for them it was just a change in job, maybe an extra pip to go with it and maybe a step closer to their personal goal. But there was no change in, for example, wages, there wasnt any. People were free to complete their medical training then switch to command route, then change their minds again and try things in a yellow shirt (TNG +). There was no hassle switching career paths for those with the desire and aptitude and any route could ultimately lead to a glittering career for the right people. The pigeonholing and strict career paths were no longer neccessary as the attitudes towards the work ethic had changed. No one wanted to be in Starfleet because the money was good or because that was the only chance they had to make something of themselves, it was a genuine desire to be part of Starfleet.


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Report this Jun. 10 2011, 2:40 pm

 


On the Enterprise-D as on all other Fed and non-Fed ships is a military hierachy. Of course there were also civilian ppl on board to the enlisted officers who actualy run a ship, a starbase, SF Aacademy, HQs, either way a spacestation like ds9 & all the UFP institutions.


 


Besides you're not counting a Ensign as comissioned officer.

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Report this Jun. 11 2011, 7:45 am

in TOS the techncians you see in those technician clothes those aren't officers. In TNG they mention chiefs and stuff they're not officers. So there you go not everyone is a officer but obviously the main cast are officers.

Beershark

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Report this Jun. 14 2011, 10:28 am

Quote: tribblenator999 @ Jun. 11 2011, 7:45 am

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>in TOS the techncians you see in those technician clothes those aren't officers. In TNG they mention chiefs and stuff they're not officers. So there you go not everyone is a officer but obviously the main cast are officers.

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That's sort of the point. We get Adrimals, Commodors, Captains, Commanders, Lt. Commanders, Leutenets and Ensigns for officers but all we get for enlisted is Chiefs, Technicians and Crewmen....


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