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Why Star Trek 2009 sucked

Royalsfanen

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Report this Apr. 25 2011, 12:45 am

Wow, so much for being an inviting place for fans to discuss their views on Trek. I'm still new to the forums, obviously, but the guy who posted this literally has less than ten posts during his tenure here. If the guy didn't come back to the boards again after this thread I couldn't blame him. I can understand the frustration of reading the same thing over and over again (I.E. ST 2009 breakdowns and beatdowns), but were some of the responses here really called for?


I don't know, I'm just giving the guy who posted this the benefit of the doubt that he just didn't fully understand the movie. I don't think he deserves to have his post ripped apart though.

Vger23

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Report this Apr. 25 2011, 5:02 am

Quote: Royalsfanen @ Apr. 25 2011, 12:45 am

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>Wow, so much for being an inviting place for fans to discuss their views on Trek. I'm still new to the forums, obviously, but the guy who posted this literally has less than ten posts during his tenure here. If the guy didn't come back to the boards again after this thread I couldn't blame him. I can understand the frustration of reading the same thing over and over again (I.E. ST 2009 breakdowns and beatdowns), but were some of the responses here really called for?

>I don't know, I'm just giving the guy who posted this the benefit of the doubt that he just didn't fully understand the movie. I don't think he deserves to have his post ripped apart though.

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I'm actually quite sure it will be okay. The sun will still rise tomorrow, no posters were harmed in the continuing advancement of this thread, and I'm sure his/her mother still loves them.


Relax.


Anyone who posts something on a frigging Star Trek board about some element of the franchise being ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE that doesn't expect to get an animated and emotional response needs a reality wake-up.


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Matthias Russell

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Report this Apr. 25 2011, 5:37 am

Look, I'm not a ST09 fan and completely disagree with the direction the franchise took, but the hatred needs to stop. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Trek already has different types of fans and those who hate in the movie probably have at least one incarnation in the prime universe they already hate so what's one more?

The Abrams haters are starting to get a little too militaristic when they wish death upon one of the movie's creators in an innocent fb status from this site. Cool it down. Nimoy had bo problem with it and I doubt Roddenberry would. Feel free to not like something but at least act like adults when expressing your distaste.

Vger23

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Report this Apr. 25 2011, 6:30 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Apr. 25 2011, 5:37 am

>Look, I'm not a ST09 fan and completely disagree with the direction the franchise took, but the hatred needs to stop. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Trek already has different types of fans and those who hate in the movie probably have at least one incarnation in the prime universe they already hate so what's one more? The Abrams haters are starting to get a little too militaristic when they wish death upon one of the movie's creators in an innocent fb status from this site. Cool it down. Nimoy had bo problem with it and I doubt Roddenberry would. Feel free to not like something but at least act like adults when expressing your distaste.


 


I agree. I get a good deal of flack for my harsh treatment of negative fans, but it's driven from the absolute embarassment I feel at times from fans who act out with this entitled, superior, negative attitude. Star Trek fans can be fanatical and disgusting at times. The way people treated Wil Wheaton back in the 1980's was horrendous and shameful, for example. The way some people used to bash on Rick Berman and Brannon Braga with hateful and personal attacks is pathetic. And, for the last two years you've had people acting like JJ Abrams, Orci, and Kurtzman have burned their homes to the ground and urinated on Roddenberry's grave.


It's this sad, over-the-top fringe behavior that is unbelievably embarassing to me, and at times I am ashamed to identify myself as a fan. Trek fans pride themselves on being enlightened, tolerant and inclusive...but I see no such behavior from certain fringe groups. I only see fear, emotionalism, exlusion, obsessiveness and ugliness.


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coastcityo

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Report this Apr. 25 2011, 7:42 am

Yes Vger23, us Trek fans that hated 2009 can be a wee bit over the top and nit picky in our reasons for hating this film, but for me it comes down to a couple of things.


I hated the performances of Spock and Kirk (Spock much more than Kirk, he just totally reminded me of Jim Carrey in Dumb and Dumber), and that is an insurmountable stumbling block for a show that is driven by these two main characters. Others can like or love the job these guys did, but I didn't. That is totally a perception and taste thing, and will not be swayed by any fan of the show. Their acting job can't totally be blamed on JJ, but as the director he does deserve some of the credit and blame for the job his actors did.


I hated the story, and that is another big road block towards liking the film. And again, this is something the director has a hand in, and so JJ again gets some more of my ire. 


If I had cared about the story, while hating the two main stars, then maybe I wouldn't hate the entire film so much, or even vice versa. But, when you hate the two main stars as well as the story itself, you are going to hate the entire experience of the film. So I hated the experience of JJTrek 2009, and all the little minute details that us haters are whining about are just blown up even more out of proportions. It's like, after breaking up with someone, how you can recall every annoying thing they ever did.


Another part of the problem for me, is I got used to having a lot of Trek going on at once, and now there is just the void filled by 2009. It used to be easier to get over the trek I didn't like, by focusing on the Trek I did like. I didn't like Voyager, but that's ok because I have DS9. Now, all I had was that 2009 film I hated, and then I get to wait a few years for another helping of the same meal I already hated. And, that just feeds my hatred of JJ and his Trek, knowing that his is the only show in town for the next few years, and I just have to suck it.

Vger23

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Report this Apr. 25 2011, 8:18 am

Quote: coastcityo @ Apr. 25 2011, 7:42 am

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>Yes Vger23, us Trek fans that hated 2009 can be a wee bit over the top and nit picky in our reasons for hating this film, but for me it comes down to a couple of things.

>I hated the performances of Spock and Kirk (Spock much more than Kirk, he just totally reminded me of Jim Carrey in Dumb and Dumber), and that is an insurmountable stumbling block for a show that is driven by these two main characters. Others can like or love the job these guys did, but I didn't. That is totally a perception and taste thing, and will not be swayed by any fan of the show. Their acting job can't totally be blamed on JJ, but as the director he does deserve some of the credit and blame for the job his actors did.

>I hated the story, and that is another big road block towards liking the film. And again, this is something the director has a hand in, and so JJ again gets some more of my ire. 

>If I had cared about the story, while hating the two main stars, then maybe I wouldn't hate the entire film so much, or even vice versa. But, when you hate the two main stars as well as the story itself, you are going to hate the entire experience of the film. So I hated the experience of JJTrek 2009, and all the little minute details that us haters are whining about are just blown up even more out of proportions. It's like, after breaking up with someone, how you can recall every annoying thing they ever did.

>Another part of the problem for me, is I got used to having a lot of Trek going on at once, and now there is just the void filled by 2009. It used to be easier to get over the trek I didn't like, by focusing on the Trek I did like. I didn't like Voyager, but that's ok because I have DS9. Now, all I had was that 2009 film I hated, and then I get to wait a few years for another helping of the same meal I already hated. And, that just feeds my hatred of JJ and his Trek, knowing that his is the only show in town for the next few years, and I just have to suck it.

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And this post is directly to my point:


 


Anytime you have true, actual HATRED toward a movie, actor, producer, or director becuase they envisioned Star Trek differently than you would have liked, you have to look in the mirror and wonder about yourself. It's a movie. It's 2 hours of a franchise containing 100's upon 100's of hours of entertainment. "Hate" should not apply to an entertainment franchise or those involved in it. PERIOD!!


I'm sorry. It's not personal. I just think it's a sad way to be, and it's f-ing embarassing to a number of more moderately-tempered and grounded fans. Are you aware that you used the word "hate" (or versions of the word) 12 times in this post? That is BEYOND unhealthy, and demonstrates a poor state-of-mind in my opinion, and is the crux of everything I find objectionable about some Star Trek fans.  


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Caalma

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Report this Apr. 25 2011, 8:36 am

WAIT A FREAKIN MINUTE....


Star Trek isn't real???? Trek2009 sucked??? What??? NO WAY!!!! I have to go kill myself now. THANKS ALOT!!! this must be how that geico caveman feels?


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coastcityo

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Report this Apr. 25 2011, 9:21 am

I didn't say anything about hating 2009 because it was different from how I want my Trek to always be. I gave you two simple, well reasoned thoughts on why I hated this film. I hated the story and the acting jobs of the main actors, and felt the director could share some of the blame for both of these. You can disagree if you want, but don't label my argument another hate filled diatribe against JJ for being the anti-christ. I have no problem with change in the Trek-verse. My favorite series was DS9, a show rife with change, and my least favorite was Voyager for returning to the safety of TNG and rejecting change. But I really liked Voyager in comparison to 2009. I thought you wanted an argument from the other side against 2009 that didn't include canon or other nitpicking Trek minutia, but apparently you only want to hear from people that either loved or didn't really like 2009 very much. People can actually hate something without being f-ing embarrassments to you.


Hatred doesn't have to be a personal thing. I hate brussel sprouts, does this make me some kind of deviant freak? I love Star Trek, love it, and the opposite of love isn't kinda dislike. I don't hate JJ, couldn't care less about him, but I hated his job in 2009. I don't hate either of the actors playing Kirk or Spock in 2009, couldn't pick them out of a line-up if pressed, but I hated their performances in said film. I hated Star Trek V, thought it royally sucked, but that never affected my love of William Shatner nor the franchise in general. Maybe in your carousel world without highs and lows there is no room for hate or love, just a lot of it's okay. But I personally like roller coasters myself, and that means highs and lows of love and hate. I don't want anyone to die because they made a film I hated, I just don't want to see another film by the people who made a film I hated. It's okay to hate something, or to me it means you really don''t love it.


My wife is an oboist and was a music major who loves Bach and Mozart, but she hates the music of John Williams. She doesn't hate him, just the music he makes. I love soccer, but have many friends who hate it. Are they weirdoes for that?


I counted 19 uses of Hate, or a variant there of, counting this last one. Just thought I would save you time.


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Vger23

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Report this Apr. 25 2011, 9:52 am

Yeah, nothing you said here makes me feel any differently about it. In fact, the protracted rationalization just makes it worse from my point of view. Fans who are THIS dramatically and emotionally dedicated (and polarized) to this extent just turn my stomach, and it IS embarassing. People act like this and then wonder why Trek fans are the brunt of so many jokes and get no respect. I read stuff on this board and it has caused me to STOP wondering. 


 


Sorry, it is what it is. Like I said, nothing personal.


 


Oh, and soccer really does suck. Badly.


 


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coastcityo

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Report this Apr. 25 2011, 10:34 am

Not rying to get all pretentious or anything, but Star Trek is a film and TV series. And that makes it a part of the art world, and one of the goals of art is to evoke an emotional response. I love Picaso, while others hate his art, and that is fine. One can love or hate the art of a person without actually hating a person. I don't hate JJ, I just hate the job he did in 2009, and that is fine because that's my opinion. I'm basically done on this subject, because there is nothing new to say on it, but I do think it's okay to hate a thing without hating a person.


and stop mildly disliking soccer, it's embarrassing.


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___Lucifer___

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Report this Apr. 25 2011, 10:39 am

The proper name is Football, thank you very much.


Oh and I also love Rugby.


I also call American Football "American Football." Strange since I'm an American LOL


coastcityo

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Report this Apr. 25 2011, 10:42 am

I prefer futbol

Caalma

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Report this Apr. 25 2011, 11:18 am

let me be straight forward on this....


STAR TREK IS REAL! TREK2009 FREAKIN RAWKED!!!


AND... I AM ON BOARD THE ENTERPRISE RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!


****


*Caalma wakes up* Aaaaawwww man.


 


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t.bexon

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Report this Apr. 25 2011, 12:21 pm

I like ST09, even as a guilty pleasure. It had new direction and different approach in order to turn a younger new generation on to Star Trek. Some of the plot had mistakes and things we didn't like, but there is some previous Star Trek films that fit this description (i.e. Nemesis). I think this was good compared to the initial skeptical approach. It surpassed my low expectations

Treknoir

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Report this Apr. 25 2011, 1:11 pm

Quote: ColPeg @ Apr. 24 2011, 7:41 pm

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>I wouldn't have minded if JJ and the rest would have had somebody else from Vulcan would have been in Starfleet and Spock sought the path his Father wanted him to goto instead of Starfleet.  Maybe THAT Vulcan would have accepted Uhura's touch.  Just because there was a wormhole that would change many events following it, doesn't mean Spock would have allowed being touched.  This is one of the many constants that a worm hole could not change.

>It was 'A' good movie, but it wasn't Star Trek.  It was way more like Star Wars - ugh!

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Something else that tickles me. Folks CONVENIENTLY forget that Sarek had TWO, TWO, human wives. One of which was Spock's mother.  But oh noes! The thought of Spock DESIRING a human is just SHOCKING! A half human who struggles all of his life to accept his human feelings has feelings for a human, like his dad did before him. With two women. Yes I'm being redundant because folks have "canon" selective amnesia. Poor Spock. A wandering space eunuch who only has to have icky poo relations when his life depends on it!


 


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