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Would vegans, vegetarians, and/or Vulcans eat meat from the replicator?

Matthias Russell

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Report this Apr. 15 2011, 6:29 am

Vulcans, I believe, abstain from meat largely for dietary reasons as do some humans. But many humans abstain out of respect/love for animal life. Replicated meat would perhaps be healthier while originating from energy, not from a living creature.

Trekwolf164

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Report this Apr. 15 2011, 6:43 am

If you do not eat meat  you would not try replicated meat unless you were curious about the taste.


Spock ate meat when he and Dr.McCoy were in that planet's past ice age but his actions in the episode were explained as Spock and McCoy had not been tuned by the Atavacron to be able to live there.


Which is why they and Kirk could return to the present.


Replicated foods are said to be less tasty than actual cooking except for in Enterprise when they were at the "Borg" ship repair station that tried to steal Travis for its data banks that Tucker loved the Fried Catfish in.


But Riker is shown attempting to cook. Sisko prefered real food to replicator's and was said to be a fine chef.


 

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Report this Apr. 15 2011, 8:32 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Apr. 15 2011, 6:29 am

>Vulcans, I believe, abstain from meat largely for dietary reasons as do some humans. But many humans abstain out of respect/love for animal life. Replicated meat would perhaps be healthier while originating from energy, not from a living creature.


Doubt it. I guess it depends on the reason behind why they do not eat meat. Do they consider it unethical/illogical to eat animals? Or maybe it is due to the conditions on Vulcan. Earth has a varied climate and was able to domesticate animals for meat and products. Vulcan has a harsh, desert climate where the domestication of animals might not have been possible or more trouble than it was worth. I assume they are omnivorous, but probably ate whatever was easiest to produce once they became civilized.


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Report this Apr. 15 2011, 9:35 pm

Yeah it would depend on exactly what their objection to meat would be. If it is for dietary / health reasons then no. If it is because of animals, then I think they would not have further objections. It would also depend on their opinion of alternative sources of protein. Some people just like veggies better than meat anyways.


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toranaprem

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Report this Apr. 15 2011, 9:46 pm

As a vegetarian who enjoys meat analogues, I still wouldn't want to eat replicated meat. It'd still be replicated body parts and at this point the notion is pretty damn unappetizing, which is insane, considering how much I once loved to eat meat. But yeah, I'm pretty sure even replicated meat would make me puke at this point.


As for Vulcans? I doubt that they would even eat meat analogues because it would be illogical, so why would they eat replicated meat that would send an even more mixed message about their ideas surrounding meat consumption? Abstaining from meat has just as many social implications as it does personal ones, and I don't see a Vulcan finding it logical to send such mixed signals. If it is illogical to eat animals to begin with, how could it be logical to seek out as a food something that seems to have come from an animal?


I do remember in The Wounded Sky by Diane Duane when Kirk and Spock had lunch together, Kirk throwing away his steak as Spock approached because he felt bad eating it in front of him (awwwwwwww by the way). He then orders the salad Spock's having, so that scene, while not canon, pretty much answered that question for me.

OtakuJo

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Report this Apr. 15 2011, 9:52 pm

I still think that the attitude to replicated meat would depend very much on the individual. But agreed -- meat was never part of the Vulcan diet, anyway and their attitude can be kind of boring when it comes to trying new things! Bunch of old fuddy-duddies lol.


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Report this Apr. 15 2011, 10:38 pm

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Yeah, I think this indicates the feeling that myself and most other vegetarians I've met tend to agree on.


Replicated, or petri dish meat is still meat. Still disturbingly meat.


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OtakuJo

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Report this Apr. 16 2011, 12:53 am

Is it just me or does Idanian spice pudding sound like it would be super Yummy!!


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Caalma

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Report this Apr. 16 2011, 9:04 am

i dont eat very much meat, maybe like once or twice a week. I think if I were a vegetarian or vegan, I would try meat if it didn't come from animals.


sometimes i crave a hamburger. like last night, i had some Carl's jr coupons, and i just couldnt resist. i had been eating pasta all week. maybe its the same for them, but they are just more disciplined?


 


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toranaprem

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Report this Apr. 16 2011, 12:10 pm

Quote: Caalma @ Apr. 16 2011, 9:04 am

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>i dont eat very much meat, maybe like once or twice a week. I think if I were a vegetarian or vegan, I would try meat if it didn't come from animals.

>sometimes i crave a hamburger. like last night, i had some Carl's jr coupons, and i just couldnt resist. i had been eating pasta all week. maybe its the same for them, but they are just more disciplined?

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But you still eat meat sometimes, Caalma. Once you've given meat up entirely for years it becomes a very different prospect.


I loved and craved meat when I was still eating it occasionally. I didn't give meat up because I didn't enjoy it. But if you stop completely, for many people it stops looking like real food after awhile. It starts to smell different too. Really. It sounds crazy, but I'm constantly surprised by how unappetizing it often seems now when I'm around others eating it.


Sometimes I crave the feeling of being able to eat certain kinds of food because of nostalgia, because of my memories of loving certain things, but that's why I enjoy meat analogues. They give me that homey, savory feeling, without actually having to eat meat.


And you forget what meat tastes like too when you're no longer eating it and able to compare it to veggie substitutes. Veggie bacon is bacon for me now. So I don't miss the "real" thing made from pig.


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Report this Apr. 16 2011, 12:11 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ Apr. 16 2011, 12:53 am

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>Is it just me or does Idanian spice pudding sound like it would be super Yummy!!

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It is not just you!


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Report this Apr. 16 2011, 1:02 pm

Quote: toranaprem @ Apr. 16 2011, 12:10 pm

Quote: Caalma @ Apr. 16 2011, 9:04 am

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>i dont eat very much meat, maybe like once or twice a week. I think if I were a vegetarian or vegan, I would try meat if it didn't come from animals.

>sometimes i crave a hamburger. like last night, i had some Carl's jr coupons, and i just couldnt resist. i had been eating pasta all week. maybe its the same for them, but they are just more disciplined?

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But you still eat meat sometimes, Caalma. Once you've given meat up entirely for years it becomes a very different prospect.

I loved and craved meat when I was still eating it occasionally. I didn't give meat up because I didn't enjoy it. But if you stop completely, for many people it stops looking like real food after awhile. It starts to smell different too. Really. It sounds crazy, but I'm constantly surprised by how unappetizing it often seems now when I'm around others eating it.

Sometimes I crave the feeling of being able to eat certain kinds of food because of nostalgia, because of my memories of loving certain things, but that's why I enjoy meat analogues. They give me that homey, savory feeling, without actually having to eat meat.

And you forget what meat tastes like too when you're no longer eating it and able to compare it to veggie substitutes. Veggie bacon is bacon for me now. So I don't miss the "real" thing made from pig.

  Actually you do miss real bacon other wise you would be just fine with out the fake bacon.  Don't understand Vegterians willfully damaging their body via nutrient deprivation because they don't like killing things when in fact harvesting vetables kills more animals than the meat industry.


 


On this topic no I don't think that Vulcans would eat replicated meat since based on what I have seen most Vulcans considered eating meat barbaric.


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Report this Apr. 16 2011, 1:57 pm

Quote: chr33355 @ Apr. 16 2011, 1:02 pm

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>Actually you do miss real bacon other wise you would be just fine with out the fake bacon.  Don't understand Vegterians willfully damaging their body via nutrient deprivation because they don't like killing things when in fact harvesting vetables kills more animals than the meat industry.

>On this topic no I don't think that Vulcans would eat replicated meat since based on what I have seen most Vulcans considered eating meat barbaric.

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Do you have reading comprehension problems? I explained that I did miss bacon, in a nostalgic sense. In a wanting to have a BLT with my family sense. Not in a glistening pig fat sense. Nuance, look it up.


Also, you don't know much about nutrition, clearly.


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chr33355

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Report this Apr. 16 2011, 8:01 pm

Quote: toranaprem @ Apr. 16 2011, 1:57 pm

Quote: chr33355 @ Apr. 16 2011, 1:02 pm

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>Actually you do miss real bacon other wise you would be just fine with out the fake bacon.  Don't understand Vegterians willfully damaging their body via nutrient deprivation because they don't like killing things when in fact harvesting vetables kills more animals than the meat industry.

>On this topic no I don't think that Vulcans would eat replicated meat since based on what I have seen most Vulcans considered eating meat barbaric.

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Do you have reading comprehension problems? I explained that I did miss bacon, in a nostalgic sense. In a wanting to have a BLT with my family sense. Not in a glistening pig fat sense. Nuance, look it up.

Also, you don't know much about nutrition, clearly.

  All I know is that vegiterians are more suseptible to nutrient defency related illness.


toranaprem

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Report this Apr. 16 2011, 8:21 pm

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Quote: toranaprem @ Apr. 16 2011, 1:57 pm

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>Actually you do miss real bacon other wise you would be just fine with out the fake bacon.  Don't understand Vegterians willfully damaging their body via nutrient deprivation because they don't like killing things when in fact harvesting vetables kills more animals than the meat industry.

>On this topic no I don't think that Vulcans would eat replicated meat since based on what I have seen most Vulcans considered eating meat barbaric.

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Do you have reading comprehension problems? I explained that I did miss bacon, in a nostalgic sense. In a wanting to have a BLT with my family sense. Not in a glistening pig fat sense. Nuance, look it up.

Also, you don't know much about nutrition, clearly.

  All I know is that vegiterians are more suseptible to nutrient defency related illness.


Based on what? Where's your evidence? I'm fairly sure I've done far more research on this subject that you have.


Lacto-ovos vegetarians (which is what I am) based on the studies, are pretty much indistinguishable from meat-eaters nutrient deficiency-wise. The only thing that is occasionally problamatic is iron (but many meat-eaters are suffering from vitamin defiences and lack of fiber from refusal to eat vegetables, so it cuts both ways) And assuming the vegetarian isn't eating french fries for dinner, it is seriously not hard to get enough iron. You just need to eat your leafy greens and pulses like soy and lentils. (And I mean, seriously, what else are we eating half of the time?!)


Vegans do tend to have more problems statistically, but if they're eating enough grains and pulses, fats, and supplementing their diet with B12, they'll do great.


Really, meat-eaters by in large in this country eat like crap and tons of them suffer from nutrient deficiencies. So yeah, it irritates the heck out of me when people who know next to nothing about vegetarianism start making blanket remarks about how unhealthy it is. It can be an extremely healthy diet VERY easily.


And vegetarians can eat like shit, sure! But so can, and do, meat-eaters! Yet their unhealthiness gets a pass because it is so mainstream and prevelant?


If you'd really like to learn more about the subject this is an excellent text that I read cover to cover when I became a vegetarian. It's probably available at your local academic library!


http://www.amazon.com/Dietitians-Guide-Vegetarian-Diets-Applications/dp/0763732419/ref=dp_ob_title_bk


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