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Facts About the Tea Party (aka. Teabaggers).

CO_Fowler

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Report this Apr. 11 2011, 12:01 pm

Just a fwew questions and then I'll stay out of the political threads ( I can feel the headache getting stronger ) :


So any Democrats that feel that Obama is wrong for the country are what?  Are they not really 'good' Dems?  Or are they really closet Republicans?  Are registered Democrats that didn't vote for Obama considered heathens?


I'm really curious.  Since I know many registered Democrats that are more vocal against Obama than many registered Republicans.  So how are they looked upon by those Democrats that wish death on Republicans that don't support Obama??

tishkajaku

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Report this Apr. 11 2011, 12:07 pm

Interest article.  I do have a bit o skepticism, since this study used the methodologies of The List Experiement, therefore could be open to skewed data, depending on these probable concerns....


 To recoup the loss of information due to indirect questioning, use blocking or matched-pair designs
before randomization (Imai et al., 2008).
 To avoid ceiling and floor effects, choose control items such that few respondents in the control group
would answer affirmatively or negatively to all control items. For example, researchers may choose
control items whose responses are negatively correlated with each other.
 To avoid design effects, choose control items whose evaluation is not affected by the inclusion of
sensitive items. For example, researchers should select control items that are unambiguous and for
which respondents have strong opinions.
 Researchers should conduct a pilot study to assess the possibility of departures from the key assumptions.
They can also use the result of pilot studies to construct a design that maximizes the power of
the proposed statistical test for detecting design effects (see Sections 3.1 and 3.5).
 To explore social desirability bias, it is useful to include direct questioning of the sensitive items.
Such direct questioning can be administered to both treatment and control groups but after indirect
questioning is done through list experiments (see Section 2.2).
 Asking control items directly can be useful for improving statistical efficiency, but researchers should
be aware of the possibility of introducing additional design effects. Presenting all control items together
first before asking each one separately may mitigate such design effects (see Section 2.4).


Source:


http://imai.princeton.edu/research/files/listP.pdf


 


I also check the vitae of the authors, and then determine if they have a bias from which they would report their data, to support their own position.  Statistics is such a fluid tool, and all data of who, what, when, where, and how are suspect until the reader has all the facts. 


Data is always molded to suit the presenters agenda, sometimes in a subjective way.  My opinion is using the List Experiement, at this time, lends itself to allwoing this to happen more often than desired.

lligevets

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Report this Apr. 11 2011, 1:13 pm

 


Question:


Do all liberal democrats have nothing but condescending and belittling statements? Showing slanted data and wild conjecture as proof.


Do they really have nothing good to say to anyone that does not buy their jargon?


 


I will play the game for this thread. Here is all the proof we need Obama was born in Kenya







This document purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth for Barack Obama, allegedly born in Mombasa, Kenya, in 1961



 






Document enlarged to show detail alleges Barack Obama was born at Coast General Hospital in Mombasa on Aug. 4, 1961



 






An enlarged view of the bottom of the document





 


FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Apr. 11 2011, 1:17 pm

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class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Question:

class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Do all liberal democrats have nothing but condescending and belittling statements? Showing slanted data and wild conjecture as proof.

class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Do they really have nothing good to say to anyone that does not buy their jargon?

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class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">I will play the game for this thread. Here is all the proof we need Obama was born in Kenya

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This document purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth for Barack Obama, allegedly born in Mombasa, Kenya, in 1961


Document enlarged to show detail alleges Barack Obama was born at Coast General Hospital in Mombasa on Aug. 4, 1961


An enlarged view of the bottom of the document
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lligevets - don't bother feeding the troll (Rusty) - he's just doing his normal thing and picking a fight with people by being belligerent and name calling, etc.  He's not worth our time.


Lieutenant_Jedi

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Report this Apr. 11 2011, 4:04 pm

BamBam, he brings up a legitimate topic. To classify him as a troll is incorrect. 


Why are you not responding?


And llgevets, that document has been confirmed as a fake. 


It is a valid concern that the GOP has become a party that refuses to compromise, and is driven by those who appear to be radicals. 


For the last few days you have attempted to shut off any statements of Rusty's and have discouraged others from doing so. If someone is disrespectful, your clear and concise comments may not benefit HIM, but can serve as convincing evidence to others. 


"Can you detect midi - chlorians with a tricorder?"

SSFPhoenix

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Report this Apr. 11 2011, 5:09 pm

Oh it does, it reminds that the republicans will stab the majority of voters in the back in order to please the rich.


And that the people will respond to their rights and their neighbors rights being taken away.

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Apr. 11 2011, 5:44 pm

Quote: Lieutenant_Jedi @ Apr. 11 2011, 4:04 pm

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>BamBam, he brings up a legitimate topic. To classify him as a troll is incorrect. 

>Why are you not responding?

>And llgevets, that document has been confirmed as a fake. 

>It is a valid concern that the GOP has become a party that refuses to compromise, and is driven by those who appear to be radicals. 

>For the last few days you have attempted to shut off any statements of Rusty's and have discouraged others from doing so. If someone is disrespectful, your clear and concise comments may not benefit HIM, but can serve as convincing evidence to others. 

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Jedi - Just because he brings up a legitimate topic doesn't mean he's not really trolling.  If you take a look at Rusty's statements over the past several weeks, they are filled with hatred, name calling, hostility, etc. to the members here.  (Or he tries to invalidate what they believe in by name calling - the vulgar title of this thead for example.)  His comments are designed to be abusive, not thought provoking.  I fully expect people to disagree and are free to do so, but I'm done with his trolling activity and want to warn others to beware - if they choose to engage him, they do so knowing what to expect.  If Rusty actually wanted to have a rational conversation, I'm all for it, but since he always belittles anyone who disagrees with Marxism, ultra progressive democrats, athiesm, and any of his other views, it's not worth it.


Corwin8

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Report this Apr. 11 2011, 5:49 pm

You almost had me read this, but then I saw the hook in the bait. 


 


The Teabaggers name is a lame play on Tea Party and is a lame sex act and a great way to demean and mock the Tea Party in general. 


Google Teabagging, as I won't post it here.  Rusty and the others who use this know exactly what it means and is a not so subtle slam. 


Your contempt is obvious and kind of cute, in a potty mouth toddler sort of way. 


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FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Apr. 11 2011, 6:10 pm

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>You almost had me read this, but then I saw the hook in the bait. 

>The Teabaggers name is a lame play on Tea Party and is a lame sex act and a great way to demean and mock the Tea Party in general. 

>Google Teabagging, as I won't post it here.  Rusty and the others who use this know exactly what it means and is a not so subtle slam. 

>Your contempt is obvious and kind of cute, in a potty mouth toddler sort of way. 

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They just label things they can't beat.

They are scared. Plain and simple.

They will loose the Senate and the Executive Office in 2012.

Wouldn't it be amazing if a good number of people in federal (elected) office actually believed in their oath to support and defend the Constitution?


lligevets

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Report this Apr. 11 2011, 7:19 pm

Quote: Lieutenant_Jedi @ Apr. 11 2011, 4:04 pm

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>BamBam, he brings up a legitimate topic. To classify him as a troll is incorrect. 

>Why are you not responding?

>And llgevets, that document has been confirmed as a fake. 

>It is a valid concern that the GOP has become a party that refuses to compromise, and is driven by those who appear to be radicals. 

>For the last few days you have attempted to shut off any statements of Rusty's and have discouraged others from doing so. If someone is disrespectful, your clear and concise comments may not benefit HIM, but can serve as convincing evidence to others. 

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And llgevets, that document has been confirmed as a fake


Yes it’s fake the point of my post was to point out Rusty's documents claiming “actual fact “while they are conjecture at best. We can all go to the Internet and find almost anything on any topic this does not make it fact. The birth certificate is a good example.


 


It is a valid concern that the GOP has become a party that refuses to compromise, and is driven by those who appear to be radicals. 


The GOP refuses to compromise? I assume your referring to the latest budget battle party. The republicans started with 75 Billion in cuts of wasteful spending. Three weeks ago they brought that # down to 61 Billion in cuts of wasteful spending. Last week and at the last hour they compromised again to an even lower #. And gave up some riders that would have lowered our spending even further. Your words “GOP has become a party that refuses to compromise” just not true,


 They played the political game with the democrats and the press, and still they compromised in the middle of the talks, and still they were raked over the coal by the media and the politicians. They stood tall and wanted more Cuts of wasteful spending.  Still in the end they compromised and still you can write The GOP has become a party that refuses to compromise.


The Conservatives and the Tea Party are not too happy with this. Both wanted more cuts of wasteful spending. Why not? Why can’t we cut wasteful spending its silly to Harp on a group of our leaders while trying to give us exactly what we want to cut wasteful spending. . I say we deliberately because we have all heard every single one of these people or groups tell us they will CUT WASEFUL SPENDING.  Mr. Obama, Harry Reid, Conservatives, Republicans, Democrats, Mr. Bohehner, Mrs. Clinton, Sarah Palin, GWB and the Tea Party  - Every last one has told every American they would cut wasteful spending.


The Tea Party has risen to be a group who have stood up and said enough is enough. They stand tall and demand both Democrats and Republicans take care of our budget problems. I guess these are the radicals you mentioned above. We need more people to stand up and demand our government be more responsible.


And yes I have called people on bs 


 

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Apr. 12 2011, 7:18 am

Quote: Lieutenant_Jedi @ Apr. 11 2011, 4:04 pm

>It is a valid concern that the GOP has become a party that refuses to compromise, and is driven by those who appear to be radicals. 
Isn't it interesting that the progressives always want to "compromise"?  (Well... unless they're in charge - like how they passed TARP, Porkulus, Obamacare, S-CHIP, etc... without "compromise")  This is exactly what has caused the problems in the first place.  I'm not saying that all compromise is bad, but it should be thought through first and what the compromise is all about - don't compromise values & integrity & principles!  Should we compromise with a terrorist or a murderer and let them kill only half of their goal?  Should we compromise with a thief and let them steal only half of your belongings & money?  Sometimes the answer is "NO!"  The problem has been one compromise after another without any logic or integrity.


Let's paint a picture here: Draw a long horizontal line and label the very left part of the line 'A', which represents totalitarianism/Marxism/tyranny and then label the very right of the line as 'Z', representing anarchy.  Now, let's say that our Constitutional Republic was set at point 'X'.  Now someone decides that they want "progress" and demands that the country move to point "S", so people compromise and move from 'X' to 'U'.  Now someone else demands more progress and says that point "M" is where we need to be, so a compromise is done again, but not on the original point 'X', but on the current point 'U' - so we move to 'O'.  And then again, someone wants more "progress" and demands to move to point 'H', so there's yet another compromise and we move to point 'J'.  And again politicians say we need more "progress" and want point 'A', so the compromise is point 'C'.  And if people say that we need to stop this, they're labeled as uncompromising and racist and extreme and hateful and blocking progress, etc.  And if someone actually wants to get back to the Constitution principles and actually dares to say that we need to move back towards point 'X', they're treated even worse.


What people fail to see is that the ultimate goal of "progress" is point 'A', but it's just being done over decades - one spoonful at a time.


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Report this Apr. 12 2011, 10:38 am

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>So here are some actual facts about the teabaggers and their own opinions on Obama.

>This study shows that teabaggers are not patriots, they are inclined to be racists and that a majority of them believe that Obama is a Muslim. 

>The study in general ...

>http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/racepolitics_research2011.html

>Table on Obama destroying the country ...

>http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/Experiment.pdf

>Table about teabaggers wanting America to do worse just to satisfy themsleves ...

>http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/Obama_Policies.pdf

>Table showing they have no knowledge of the facts and/or are delusional ...

>http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/Obama_facts.pdf

>Table showing that race is a factor to teabaggers when expressing their opinions ...

>http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/ROI.pdf

>Other articles citing the study and giving brief summaries and implications of the results ...

>http://www.npr.org/2011/03/31/135011774/tea-party-gains-wide-support-among-conservatives?ps=cprs

>http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/behind-the-numbers/post/poll-watchers-the-trump-card-afghanistan-obama-and-the-birthers-the-economy-and-nuclear-energy/2011/03/30/AFN0Ru1C_blog.html

>http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/02/romney-and-birthers.html

>Some quick quotes for summary ...

>"But only 27 percent of Tea Party conservatives believe the president is a practicing Christian. Twenty-seven percent said they believe he's a practicing Muslim, 41 percent rejected the claim, and 32 percent said they don't know."

>"Forty percent of Tea Party conservatives believe Obama was born in the U.S., while 32 percent don't believe it, and 28 percent said they don't know."

>'"The biggest thing that emerges, to me, is this rift among conservatives that they are going to have to confront," said University of Washington professor Christopher Parker, who oversaw the survey for the school's Institute for the Study of Ethnicity, Race and Sexuality. "We suspected people in the Tea Party are going to be more pro-birther, etc., about Obama. But the gap when it comes to wanting to see his policies fail is huge. If you call yourself a patriot and you want to see the president fail, even if you don't like him, how patriotic is that? It's really paradoxical."'

>Some Graphs ...

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>And, of course, a joke ...

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>Thoughts anyone ...

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That's right Rusty ol pal, show them how evil those Tea Party loons are, they can't win, GOOD always defeats EVIL !


 

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Apr. 12 2011, 11:36 am

Quote: DammitJim6200 @ Apr. 12 2011, 10:38 am

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>That's right Rusty ol pal, show them how evil those Tea Party loons are, they can't win, GOOD always defeats EVIL !

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"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"


Corwin8

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Report this Apr. 12 2011, 11:38 am

Teabaggers?  Should I refer to you and the other liberal Democrats as Libtards? Or Ass Pirates? You pick as you have chosen not to refer to them as members of the Tea Party. 


It's ok. If it makes you feel superior. 


Ha Ha.


 


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Corwin8

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Report this Apr. 12 2011, 11:58 am

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>You almost had me read this, but then I saw the hook in the bait. 

>The Teabaggers name is a lame play on Tea Party and is a lame sex act and a great way to demean and mock the Tea Party in general. 

>Google Teabagging, as I won't post it here.  Rusty and the others who use this know exactly what it means and is a not so subtle slam. 

>Your contempt is obvious and kind of cute, in a potty mouth toddler sort of way. 

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- don't read the article Corwin, just ignore the facts of the people you support.

- TEABAGGER is not my term, it is the one the Tea Party picked FIRST. refer to above post.

 


 


(the party members did not, or maybe they did, realize it was a homosexual act). 


But you did. And you continue to use it. I never said you made it up, you perpetuate is use and enjoy the little sexual innuendo that a lot of the tea party members are not aware of. 


It's you I have the issue with, the article is secondary at best. It's bait to draw a crowd, I doubt even you give a shit one way or the other. Just chumming the water as it were. Right?


Let the bridges I burn light the way. You are special, just like everybody else. Calling an illegal alien an ‘undocumented immigrant’ is like calling a drug dealer an ‘unlicensed pharmacist’

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