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Was Trip's Death necessary?

ruledo

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Report this Jul. 19 2011, 10:53 pm

I think Connor was the break out star of this series. By the 4rth Season, they were really overplaying him. There were plenty of scenes he was in that other characters could have pulled off. I love Trip: But, you don't take a character that dominates a series and kill him off and think you can then do movies with the series. I think the writers wanted shock value to keep people talking. I think they picked up an old discarded script from Voyager and with a few rewrites threw it in. It was a poor ending to a great lifetime of Star Trek. I fell in love with Trip and T'Pol, but I was madder at him being written off then at them breaking up.....even though it's said that vulcan's "mate" for life.....just had to get that in there...lol


I hate the books and I don't buy Trip as being able to go underground and pull off an "emotionless" Species.


I would sooner believe a different world found Sim and brought him back to life.....


I didn't even like them killing off "Hayes" There was some cool things they could have done, now that him and Reed were getting along....


What can I say, so many missed opportunities........

DanielRydstrom

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Report this Jul. 20 2011, 1:30 am

Quote: MsFixit @ Apr. 09 2011, 7:09 pm

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>Was Spock referenced as the first or only Vulcan/Human hybrid?  Not saying that it wasn't mentioned somewhere, but I just don't know about it.  Mind you, I gave up on TNG pretty early on, so if it was in there, I wouldn't have known about it.

>And, yes, Trip's death was unnecessary.  It was a cheap writer's gimmick that was meant to evoke grief from the audience, but it failed because they didn't show the effect on the other characters, so it lacked the emotional depth that it would have needed to be effective.  Contrast Trip's death with Spock's in TWOK - that death was effectively done because we saw and felt Kirk's reaction.

>In addition to being unnecessary, the death was useless - the situation was a trivial one that should have been resolved without even a red shirt buying it.  Kind of like Tasha's death on TNG.  At least Spock died saving the ship.

>I'd also argue that death in Star Trek hasn't had any permanance since they resurrected Spock.  Killing Spock was a landmark moment in Star Trek - but then they realized it would also be the end of TOS movies.  Because - oops - no one would watch another TOS movie without him.  So they found a way to bring him back.  If they were ever going to do anything more on screen with Enterprise, they'd figure out a way to bring Trip back - probably in about the same way they did it in the post-series books.

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It seems you did give up on TNG a long time ago... considering Spock isn't even in TNG. but yes I don't recall him as the first hybrid. He was the first Vulcan in Star Fleet, also keep in mind that all the time travel in ENT has caused an alternate timeline, and i'm sure everyone is aware of the butterfly effect. 


 


On other notes. When creating a topic like this, keep the title vague and say *SPOLIER* I am on the remaining episodes of ENT and now I know his fate is sealed. Thanks alot. Its bad enough I knew *DS9 SPOILER* Jadzia Dax was destined to die (people on Facebook don't shut up.) before I even saw DS9.


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ninerfaninwa

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Report this Jul. 20 2011, 11:14 am

I don't think it was necessary to advance the plotline, but sooner or later, someone key will have to bite it.


Live long and.. you know the rest

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Report this Jul. 20 2011, 11:24 am

No and in my AU it didn't happen


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2takesfrakes

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Report this Jul. 20 2011, 3:50 pm

I was more disappointed by the fact that
Trip & T'pol never got it together, which
they should've done. It's like the ONLY
Vulcan/Human love that can ever take
root is with Sarek and Amanda (and/or Perin).
It's unfortunate.


Trip's DEATH just seemed to be an inside thing,
where the show said, "screw it, this is the last
show, let's just do whatever and have fun with it."


RedShirtGuyNumber1001

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Report this Jul. 21 2011, 9:40 am

This has been a common topic over the years.  Most people usually say the same thing and it basically is still true after all of these years.  The final episode of Enterprise was a quick throw together.  It was taped much later than most of the preceding shows that season.  Most of the actors didn't have that much time to film as they were attempting to move on to other projects.  That is why the back and forth mode was used, and my guess is that most of the takes were one or two takes.  You can see that by the simple camera angles that were used.  Clearly this was a "let's save as much money as possible" episode.  Trip's death was probably as a combination of the actor not wanting to be associated with Star Trek any longer, and the producers trying to make the episode better than it was.  But yes in the end unnecessary. 

ruledo

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Report this Jul. 22 2011, 9:40 am

I didn't pay attention to the internet back then, so I have no idea what his thought's were.  I do know they worked 10-12hour days 6 days a week for 10 months.  that is pretty gruelling for 4 years.  Fame is a double edged sword.  I can only imagine that there is no way to prepare yourself for that and for Star Trek celebrity status.  I have heard some interviews by him, and he was not very good at off the cuff at first.  He has gotten better at it.  Could be because people tend to ask the same questions over and over and just because he has more experience under his belt.  He has also gone to conventions over the years when he has not worked on other projects.  The girls are the ones that seem to be absent from everything a year out of the series. 


I did notice that on the DVD's the 3rd and 4rth season extra's and pictures he seems to be somewhat absent.  And I did wonder what he did to tick some people off.lol   

RedShirtGuyNumber1001

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Report this Jul. 22 2011, 9:51 am

I doubt he ticked people off, I think he probably new that things were not going to work out.  Actors can certainly sense mismanagement.  Meghan Gallagher leaving Millennium for example.

rob39874

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Report this Jul. 23 2011, 10:40 pm

The problem with the Finale was that it was more a TNG episode from what I have read I havent seen his death so can't comment on that yet. However for those that liked Trip There is a Enterprise book out there which shows Trip alive and well the storyline is that he faked his death because SI recruited him to be a spy on romulus. Not quite sure of the name of the novel now but it was a good one.

ruledo

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Report this Jul. 31 2011, 9:14 am

He is still alive in the Romulan war series, but part of the reason I liked trip was his personality. Undercover, most of this is absent.....He is not working with the crew and its not the same. On Tv most of what you see is the crew. In the books, they are telling new stories, so the crew is in only half the book. But I don't know how else they could write a new story. haha The books aren't bad. I just don't like the ending of the series and it taint's the books for me. Plenty of others have enjoyed reading them. I Have read the first two in the Romulan War series. Haven't decided yet if I will read the third.


Spoiler- I had to pretend Trip was someone else to get thru the first book. but that is only my opinion, as the character I had formed in my head about Trip, would not have gone underground. He doesn't have the temperment or the ability to hurt people unnecessarily, by believing him to be dead.


whoever wrote that main charachters on star trek dies. Is correct. I just don't like it.lol


I love the boards and everyone's opinions. I was so happy to see that after all this time I could find others to talk to the series about. Everyone is so caught up in reality shows, they act like once something goes off the air, it no longer exists....


 

chucktrekA

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Report this Aug. 01 2011, 7:29 pm

Face it, the last episode of Ent down right sucked! I was very dissapointed.


I say lets bridge the gap between Ent and TOS and go from there.

chucktrekA

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Report this Aug. 01 2011, 7:33 pm

Daniel, Ambassador Spock was in a few TNG episodes, working on the Reunification. Picard had to find him to tell him of Sareks death.

Enterprise19

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Report this Aug. 04 2011, 5:51 pm

No. It was stupid. But hey, who says he's dead? I bet that holodeck program was tampered with. Pesky redshirts & their pranks!

vcote

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Report this Aug. 16 2011, 10:49 am

In addition to most of the reasons other people mentioned of why Trip's death was not necessary, or barely even made sense, I would say that this death was a big middle finger to all the ladies watching Star Trek.


To me it felt like: "here, screw you girls, we will not accept back stories including a little romance, so here it is, they split. And to make sure that no male character becomes a sexual object and shows any skin other that his chest in the future, we will kill the character you liked ladies. Matcho heros will prevail!" Boo. 


Seriously, the whole episode felt like a big FU to me. 


Obviously I am dramatizing here, but still, this is how I felt. Not only did my entertainment die, but the possibilities for fantasizing were also killed with the series. "The Good Man Do" was the only ST novel I ever bought. I just needed it. 


In addition, as other people said:


1- where the heck is security and MACO in this ship?


2- how the hell did a warp 2 pirate ship catch up with warp 5 Enterprise without being noticed?


3- couldn't he walk them around the block a little before commiting suicide? I mean, give some time for other people to try something?


4- What was he supposed to be pretending to do?


5- How did Riker lose the weight between the time when he left the holodeck and the moment he talked to Picard about the pegasus controversy? Cause he was somehow, lets say, fluffier than in TNG (let's say we didn't also notice older). 


6- Why would we care so much about how Riker made the decision to tell Picard his secret that we needed to make a full series to justify it? We did not. It was an afterthought. 


Someone needs to be fired for approving this episode. I would have been happier with a standard: they lived happily ever after and made lots of little hybrid children, although cheesy as it sounds. 

vcote

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Report this Aug. 16 2011, 11:00 am

Quote: WelcomeToQuarks @ Apr. 06 2011, 10:51 am

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>Trip understood how important Archer was to creating the Federation and he was willing to die to make sure the Federation lived. I understand and respect the writer's decision to kill him off - But the writing could have been better.

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B.S. Where is the security people? Seriously, they deal with way worse invasion than a hand full of ugly pirates. You'd think that kamicaze would be a very last resort thing, not the first idea that comes to his mind... 

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