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Calculating the Stardate

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Report this Apr. 01 2011, 9:58 am

I believe that the creators of ST meant for the star date to signify Sol or earth time in relation to distance of the destination using the light year as measurement of time but traveling much faster. For instance, star date 2300.07(23rd century and 7 months) plus distance to Proxima Centauri, 4.05 light years added to 2300.07 = 2304.12. star date is now 2304.12; Let's say you stay at P.C. for a year, that equals 2305.12; now you wanna go back to Sol, so you take 2305.12 and subtract 4.05 Light years = Sol star date 2301.07, of course adding a few of months to be precise. This is how I believe the star date is calculated.


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Report this Apr. 01 2011, 10:29 am

Actually, the original basis for "star dates" was pure BS.


http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Stardate


Gene Roddenberry: The Myth and the Man Behind Star TrekEdit Gene Roddenberry: The Myth and the Man Behind Star Trek sectionEdit

The pilot was written by Samuel A. Peeples, who was interviewed by journalist Joel Engel for Gene Roddenberry: The Myth and the Man Behind Star Trek. [2] Replying to a newsgroup question on stardates, Engel quoted information from his book:


"For the starship captain's log entry narrations, Roddenberry wanted to devise a futuristic measurement of time reference. He called (Sam) Peeples (whom Roddenberry had contacted early on for help in learning about science fiction, a subject he knew nothing about; it was Peeples who wrote "Where No Man Has Gone Before," the pilot that sold ST). The two men had a few drinks while brainstorming, and soon began chuckling over their imaginative 'stardate' computations. 'We tried to set up a system that would be unidentified unless you knew how we did it,' Peeples says.

"They marked off sections on a pictorial depiction of the known universe and extrapolated how much earth time would elapse when traveling between given points, taking into account that the Enterprise's warp engines would be violating Einstein's theory that nothing could exceed the speed of light. They concluded that the 'time continuum' would therefore vary from place to place, and that earth time may actually be lost in travel. 'So the stardate on Earth would be one thing, but the stardate on Alpha Centauri would be different,' Peeples says. 'We thought this was hilarious, because everyone would say, "How come this date is before that date when this show is after that show?" The answer was because you were in a different sector of the universe.' [3]

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Report this Apr. 01 2011, 12:52 pm

yeah, i know how to do that to, just pull out my andriod and use the stardate app that i found for it.

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Report this Apr. 01 2011, 1:23 pm

According to the wiki the stardate of DS9 when approximatly began the war with the Dominion it was 5000.0 .

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Report this Apr. 01 2011, 7:19 pm

Quote: MoppyCGDaniels @ Apr. 01 2011, 1:23 pm

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>According to the wiki the stardate of DS9 when approximatly began the war with the Dominion it was 5000.0 .

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If you duduct the Sol present day Stardate 2011.04 from 5000.00, you will get the distance the system or area in space is from earth; in this case,it's2,988.95 light years away from Sol.


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Report this Apr. 03 2011, 10:16 am

Are you talking about the stardate in TOS here? Because the numbers you´re using don´t seem to fit the stardates we get in TNG.


Just recently, I´ve figured out TNG´s stardate. Purely mathematically, only related to our present standard western calendar. And not aware of any previous explanations either...


Anyone interested in figuring out what stardate (last three digits plus first decimal) your birthday is?


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Report this Apr. 03 2011, 3:48 pm

i'll go with jj abrams stardate. 2258= 2258. lol

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Report this Apr. 03 2011, 7:16 pm

Quote: Treknoir @ Apr. 01 2011, 10:29 am

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>Actually, the original basis for "star dates" was pure BS.

>http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Stardate

>Gene Roddenberry: The Myth and the Man Behind Star TrekEdit

>The pilot was written by Samuel A. Peeples, who was interviewed by journalist Joel Engel for Gene Roddenberry: The Myth and the Man Behind Star Trek. [2] Replying to a newsgroup question on stardates, Engel quoted information from his book:

"For the starship captain's log entry narrations, Roddenberry wanted to devise a futuristic measurement of time reference. He called (Sam) Peeples (whom Roddenberry had contacted early on for help in learning about science fiction, a subject he knew nothing about; it was Peeples who wrote "Where No Man Has Gone Before," the pilot that sold ST). The two men had a few drinks while brainstorming, and soon began chuckling over their imaginative 'stardate' computations. 'We tried to set up a system that would be unidentified unless you knew how we did it,' Peeples says.
"They marked off sections on a pictorial depiction of the known universe and extrapolated how much earth time would elapse when traveling between given points, taking into account that the Enterprise's warp engines would be violating Einstein's theory that nothing could exceed the speed of light. They concluded that the 'time continuum' would therefore vary from place to place, and that earth time may actually be lost in travel. 'So the stardate on Earth would be one thing, but the stardate on Alpha Centauri would be different,' Peeples says. 'We thought this was hilarious, because everyone would say, "How come this date is before that date when this show is after that show?" The answer was because you were in a different sector of the universe.' [3]
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I know it was BS cause it was not understood so easily; however, a star date can be calculated in any century. It's a matter of adding the distance between a star system in light years to Sol's date at that time when you are going to that system, and subtracting the distance in light years when you are returning. This formula gives you the date when you get to the system and gives you the date when you return back to our's.


Departure Trip:


(Sol Stardate) 2011.04 + 4.05 light years (distance to P.Centauri)  = (Stardate) 2015.09


Return Trip:


(P. Centauri Stardate) 2015.09 - 4.05 light years (distance to Sol)  = (Stardate) 2011.04. If total travel time is just a month, it would be (Stardate) 2011.05


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Report this Apr. 04 2011, 12:37 am

Quote: Camorite @ Apr. 01 2011, 12:52 pm

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>yeah, i know how to do that to, just pull out my andriod and use the stardate app that i found for it.

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LOL......... can be taken different ways........


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Report this Apr. 04 2011, 12:03 pm

Though my knowledge is based on the entire ST canon in series and movies. When ENT was ca. 2140 years not stardate, as for TOS (ST09) is about a Century later & for TNG, DS9 plus VOY is happening at 2300 (so to say the 24th Century). Accordingly in DS9 to the stardate which was always refered throughout the series was 5000.00+ when the war began (mentionend earlier).


 


I've understood the wiki what results to 2300 + a decade or more, then the calculation does fit in to 5000.00 + 10.00 or so as stardate with the lightyears & the distance in Earth-time to the location in space. Not today!

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Report this Apr. 04 2011, 12:14 pm

it's been said that the stardates mean nothing, there's no calculation to them, that the writers just randomly picked the numbers

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Report this Apr. 04 2011, 2:20 pm

Quote: willowtree @ Apr. 04 2011, 12:14 pm

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>it's been said that the stardates mean nothing, there's no calculation to them, that the writers just randomly picked the numbers

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It seems the writers don't have an understanding of motion and time, so they do ball park figures.


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Report this Apr. 04 2011, 2:24 pm

Quote: Camorite @ Apr. 01 2011, 12:52 pm

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>yeah, i know how to do that to, just pull out my andriod and use the stardate app that i found for it.

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If you consider yourself a treky don't be an A.H..


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Report this Apr. 04 2011, 2:27 pm

Quote: willowtree @ Apr. 04 2011, 12:14 pm

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>it's been said that the stardates mean nothing, there's no calculation to them, that the writers just randomly picked the numbers

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This is correct. However, the more recent series did try to incorporate some rhyme and reason in how stardates were calculated. But do they have real world application? No.


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Report this Apr. 05 2011, 12:08 pm

Quote: MoppyCGDaniels @ Apr. 04 2011, 12:03 pm

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>Though my knowledge is based on the entire ST canon in series and movies. When ENT was ca. 2140 years not stardate, as for TOS (ST09) is about a Century later & for TNG, DS9 plus VOY is happening at 2300 (so to say the 24th Century). Accordingly in DS9 to the stardate which was always refered throughout the series was 5000.00+ when the war began (mentionend earlier).

>I've understood the wiki what results to 2300 + a decade or more, then the calculation does fit in to 5000.00 + 10.00 or so as stardate with the lightyears & the distance in Earth-time to the location in space. Not today!

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You misinterpreted my example; If you read it more carefully maybe you would understand it. I used our time as an example, not for calculating stardates 100,200 or 300 years from now. Subtract Sol Stardate 2300.00 - from this Stardate 5000.00 = 2,700.00 light years; the distance from earth, Stardate 2300.00 to the other place with the 5000.00 Stardate. Also, the travel speed is not at the S.O.L., but much faster.


I corrected an error; instead of adding, you subtract Stardate


2300.00 from Stardate 5000.00 and you get 2,700.00 LYs. Just a type O.


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