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"Star Trek II: The Wrath of ----------"

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Report this Apr. 05 2011, 5:19 am

But do you think Space Seed stood out that much? You may like Khan, but before ST2, did he stand out above the other villains for you?

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Report this Apr. 05 2011, 5:21 am

I loved Space seed it was a look back at pre-Federation Earth history.


It delivered exactly what Enterprise promised but never produced.


 

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Report this Apr. 05 2011, 11:19 am

A look at the 1990s that never happened? Heck, I'm still waiting for WW3!

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Report this Apr. 06 2011, 12:05 am

I think so. Khan freaked me out, he and his group were big and scary and they crossed some Enterprise lines for me (like the aforementioned striking of Ms. Uhura). And they came really close to killing Kirk. I dunno. The stakes seemed really high, and it really brought the crew together.


 


I stand by my selection of Khan. Out of the villians, I think he stands out pretty solidly for me. And Ricardo is just INSANE.


 


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Report this Apr. 06 2011, 12:24 am

I still liked Space Seed before I saw the film, but after I saw the film, Space Seed became the excellent prequel to TWOK and instantly one of my favorites. I agree Ricardo Montalban was the perfect man to play Khan, both in the 60's and later in the 80's.

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Report this Apr. 06 2011, 2:50 pm

I definitely agree that Khan, as played by Ricardo Montalban, has presence as a villain in a way that none of the other choices in this poll do.  All the other choices are either not as personally, individually menacing as Khan and/or they don't fit the profile of a vengeful villain.


Falor was a prosperous merchant who went on a journey to gain greater awareness: Through storms he crossed the Voroth Sea/ To reach the clouded shores of Raal/ Where old T’Para offered truth./ He traveled through the windswept hills/ And crossed the barren Fire Plains/ To find the silent monks of Kir./ Still unfulfilled, he journeyed home/ Told stories of the lessons learned/ And gained true wisdom by the giving. – Falor’s Journey, “Innocence”

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Report this Apr. 07 2011, 4:45 am

That isn't true at all, Finny, Karidian, and Tracey have MORE reason to be vengeful. They already showed more vengeance in their respective episodes. Of course, of those 3, I believe only Tracey would be of film quality.

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Report this Apr. 07 2011, 6:32 pm

Finny, Karidian and Tracey all fit the profile of a vengeful villain, but none of those three are as personally, individually menacing as Khan (in my opinion).  That's why I wrote, "All the other choices are either not as personally, individually menacing as Khan and/or they don't fit the profile of a vengeful villain."  Some, like Finny, Karidian and Tracey fit the profile of a vengeful villain, but they lack the charisma and presence of Montalban's Khan.  Some--Kor particularly, in my mind--have a comparable villainous presence, but they don't fit the profile of a vengeful villain.  Mudd, while he can be vindictive in a petty way, probably doesn't fit the profile of a truly vengeance driven nemesis, nor does he have Khan's menacing presence.


Falor was a prosperous merchant who went on a journey to gain greater awareness: Through storms he crossed the Voroth Sea/ To reach the clouded shores of Raal/ Where old T’Para offered truth./ He traveled through the windswept hills/ And crossed the barren Fire Plains/ To find the silent monks of Kir./ Still unfulfilled, he journeyed home/ Told stories of the lessons learned/ And gained true wisdom by the giving. – Falor’s Journey, “Innocence”

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Report this Apr. 07 2011, 11:30 pm

I had always wished for a major movie with the Romulans. The first time we saw them in TOS, there was a whole history laid out of a major war that the Federation almost lost and the mystery of them looking like Spock. Of course we know a lot more about Romulans than we did at the time of that episode. What we did end up with in other Trek movies with the Romulans as nemesis was not what I was looking for.


In regards to Khan, I think it was a great choice. It brought Star Trek back into the mainstream because of the Pardise Lost theme, an actor that everyone recognized in Khan, and supported the public's dislike of genetic enhancements and certain research that was a big issue at the time. While as a Star Trek fan since I was 8 in 1967, I will watch and read anything Star Trek, success in the theater and the bottom line was important and the Wrath of Khan achieved that making more movies possible. I agree with Vger23's comments about Tracey and Mitchell, I just don't think they would have brought in the revenues that Khan did.

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Report this Apr. 08 2011, 5:41 am

I think Kelis makes a good argument for the many aspects of Khan that made him a high quality villain. I agree he made a high quality film villain. I think Rojan was a superior adversary who would later could be more vindictive but he didn't have the charisma of Khan do in large part to the 2 actors.

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Report this Apr. 08 2011, 8:40 am

I didn't think that "Space Seed" was that good, but TWOK was great.  I just have to consider "Space Seed" a prequel.

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Report this May. 24 2011, 4:57 am

fresh thoughts?

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Report this May. 24 2011, 1:15 pm

 In TOS Khan was cold, calculating, merciless.  In STII  Khan, even aged, he was Cold Calcutating, Mercless, and so full of hate and wanting revenge without a thought to anyone's safety.   They are the same magnificent villian. 

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Report this May. 24 2011, 1:50 pm

Oh he stood out indeed, but not as much as people now remember. I'd say that before TWOK, Harry Mudd was more memorable, simply looking at the numbers; he had three showings as the bad guy.


Also Threlane and the Romulan Commander had a much more impactful effect on me when I first saw them. But no doubt, what I'd really like to see (and JJ sorely dissappointed by ignoring in his film) is...'


The Wrath of FINNIGAN!! I mean come on! He beat Kirk to a muddy pulp worse than Khan ever did! In fact, Finnigan vs Khan in an all out brawl; special guest referee Kirk; Sunday at the Shore Leave Planet!! Bring your kids early for free T-Shirts!!


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