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Did Janeway have the authority to execute Tuvix?

___Lucifer___

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Report this Mar. 28 2011, 7:59 pm

On Voyager, the crew, and Janeway in particular, are constantly upheld as a shining example of humanity and it preaches at the audience a lot. Its characters should therefore live up to the standards of that preaching.


After the events in ST:VOY, Starfleet probably cleared her of all court-martial charges due to publicity, pinned a medal on her chest and promoted her to Admiral in charge of starship dedication plaque polishing in sector Assfuck.


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Report this Mar. 29 2011, 12:24 am

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>What about altering time for trillions of sentient beings? Shouldn't SHE have been executed.

>Tuvix, we hardly knew ye!

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lnagr1

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Report this Mar. 29 2011, 2:07 am

He really wasn't round long!

HisRoyalHighnessTheKing

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Report this Mar. 29 2011, 2:28 am

No, she did not.


He had committed no crime, had received no due process, and had expressed a clear desire to live.


As a sentient being, he should not have been forced to undergo the procedure that would exterminate him.


Especially after the Doctor also refused to carry it out and the precedent set in "Measure Of A Man"


May God Save The King

lnagr1

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Report this Mar. 29 2011, 2:33 am

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Workmanp

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Report this Mar. 29 2011, 3:44 am

Its a tricky question.  Did she actually "kill"  Tuvix, after all he was merely a combination of Tuvak and Neelix, merely separating the DNA patterns to return them to their original state neither killed nor destroyed anything.  Not one single atom or molecule was technically destroyed. . . simply restored to its proper place.  Its more of a medical debate in my opinion

Shumsky

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Report this Mar. 29 2011, 4:08 am

should Archer face charges becouse he killed Sim, Sim also expressed desire to live ("Similitude") or Sisko for beeing accomplice to murder ("In the pale moonlight").


I really don't understand so much aggression towards Janeway.


She did us all a favor anyway Tuvix would have been a boring character.



willowtree

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Report this Mar. 29 2011, 5:09 am

She didn't murder Tuvix, she corrected a transporter accident.

Workmanp

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Report this Mar. 29 2011, 5:12 am

Agreed, Tuvak and Neelix seperately made the show very intriguing.  Especially their interaction with one another

Matthias Russell

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Report this Mar. 29 2011, 5:31 am

"The needs of the many . . . "

I may not have made the same decision but can't fault her for it. Is it just that Tuvix should live at the expense of Tuvok and Neelix who have lives of their own? I can't find a jury condemning her for this, especially with Voyager's limited resources where Tuvok especially was important for the survival of the crew.

My solution would have been to lock 2 transporter beams on Tuvix like was done to Riker. Rematerialize Tuvix with one, split him with the other.

willowtree

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Report this Mar. 29 2011, 6:49 am

The thing of the Tuvix thing, is that either way she was doing a wrong. One way she was killing Tuvok and Neelix, and the other way she was killing Tuvix. So which is better, killing one, or kiling two. It's the captain's job to make these kinds of hard decisions. It's why they go to command school....and it's why Deanna Troy couldn't pass command school, she couldn't make the hard decision


 


Also....would there even be an argument if Tuvix happened to be a jerk? Tuvix got good qualities from both of  his "parents" and was a super nice guy that everyone loved. So you feel bad for him because he had to be killed. But I'm sure if he was a jerk that people wuld have been cheering Janeway on to kill him

Workmanp

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Report this Mar. 29 2011, 7:33 am

Ah yes, but the Riker incident was not planned, it was a freak accident.  There are also very strict transporter guidance rules in starfleet.  What makes them any less important than violating the prime directive?

lizlizzie

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Report this Apr. 03 2011, 9:33 pm

Commanders have to make the hard decisions. People are sent to their deaths everyday in war. There are missions we know will result in soldiers dying. Choosing who lives and who dies is part of their job. Janeway had a choice - Tuvik or Tuvok and Neelix. Why should that result in murder chargers? The point of the episode was who should make those types of choices and what do we do when for someone to live someone has to die. We would feel better about it if Tuvik had been a jerk, but when all are equally deserving, it's harder to make the decision.

zapp77

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Report this Apr. 03 2011, 9:47 pm

I don't understand why so many people are putting Janeway down, what the hell would you guys have done?


Oh Snap.

Trekwolf164

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Report this Apr. 04 2011, 7:23 am

Tuvix was a Transporter accident restoring Tuvok and Nelix was the correct choice.


The fact that the New entity did not want the reversal is of no importance,  Take cancer for an example it is a lifeform that lives in and destroys normal tissue by replicating itself we choose to fight cancer to preserve the life of the host.


Tuvix had to die in order to save two lives.


 

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