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If 2009's "STAR TREK" was so bad.....

Challengerdyer1

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Report this Mar. 27 2011, 9:25 am

If 2009's "Star Trek" was so bad(as I kept seeing alot of people write) why and how did it make $250 Million when the most successful KSM movie STIV:TVH only made $120 Million?  I am a diehard TOS fan but I liked 2009's movie very much and am looking forward to 2012's.  Only 14 months to go!  So, what's the deal?

parrothead117

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Report this Mar. 27 2011, 9:54 am

Does more money = better movie?


Some of the best movies I've ever seen probably lost money.


Also, when discussing franchises, it's not always important how "good" a movie is.  ST2009 might be a great movie in terms of writing, acting, directing, etc.  But that doesn't mean it's a good Star Trek movie or does the things that make Star Trek a worthwhile franchise.


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Report this Mar. 27 2011, 10:09 am

I think the problem many have with it is it essentially kills the rest of the franchise for what are skimpy reasons.  They are now free to rewrite anything that has happened because we are now in an alternate universe.

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Report this Mar. 27 2011, 3:30 pm

I liked it very much personally. =)


Ok, it's not the same actors. But I think they "reinvented" the characters in their own way, and it seems like they are more... emotional ? Do you understand what I mean ? XD Spock, for example. He seemed more "reserved" than the new one. In 2009, we saw him kissing Uhura, and we saw him when he lost the control on his feelings.


And I'll not talk about how they are hot... =D (Especially Chris Pine *0*)


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Report this Mar. 27 2011, 3:49 pm

SERIOUSLY, I hate that "Post Reply" button below the quick reply box. My finger gets drawn to it - out of 3 of my posts so far, I've already lost two from it. Can't you at least make it keep the text when going onto the "Post reply" screen?


 


Anyway, to paraphrase what I said previously in the post that got lost, probably in a much cruder, less articulate manner due to my level of irritation:


 


I like the film very much in its own right, but absolutely not as part of the Star Trek franchise. I mean, if it had been absolutely any other planet, I would have accepted it - hell, maybe even Earth. But Vulcan? They decided against having Vulcan invaded by the Dominion in DS9 6x19 "In the Pale Moonlight" because "Vulcan just carried too much weight."


 


So why then go on to destroy Vulcan? And to make matters worse, until further notice, Prime Spock is trapped in that miserable excuse for a parallel universe.

coastcityo

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Report this Mar. 27 2011, 4:40 pm

I hated the movie very much, won't ever watch it again, and will skip the next installment of JJ Trek.


But as to your point about money=good, I suppose this means 2009 was way better than Wrath of Kahn or Godfather, but not as good as Titanic or Star Wars.

WkdYngMan

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Report this Mar. 27 2011, 5:49 pm

I think the problem many have with it


Many don't.


is it essentially kills the rest of the franchise for what are skimpy reasons. 


Rest of the franchise isn't killed, or if it was it wasn't because of this movie.


They are now free to rewrite anything that has happened because we are now in an alternate universe.


Excellent!

WkdYngMan

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Report this Mar. 27 2011, 5:50 pm

If 2009's "Star Trek" was so bad(as I kept seeing alot of people write)


You can't really go by what's written on here since dual accounts are in high mode.  The film fares very favorably on most Trek websites going by polls, etc.

WkdYngMan

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Report this Mar. 27 2011, 5:56 pm

So why then go on to destroy Vulcan? And to make matters worse, until further notice, Prime Spock is trapped in that miserable excuse for a parallel universe.


So you like things you consider "miserable excuses?"  Odd.


 

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Report this Mar. 27 2011, 7:48 pm

It wasn't bad. And it was about MORE than just the money.


94% "Fresh" on Rottentomatoes (270 critics authored positive reviews, 16 negative). 91% of 593,885 polled audience members "liked it."


Boxofficemojo rated "A-" based on over 4000 polled movie-goers.


IMDb.com has it at 4/5 stars, based on 151,936 polled movie-goers.


 


I don't care about the 25% of the Trek fanbase who thinks the movie was the worst thing ever to happen in all of human history. When you combine box office receipts, general audience reaction, and overwhelming critical response...those are the ONLY measures of success in the movie industry. And Trek 2009 had them all in abundance.


 


 


This topic has been argued endlessly for the past 21 months. But it always comes down to the same thing. Individual personal opinions notwithstanding...the movie was "good" (actually "great") based on all standards of the motion picture industry. So, aside from expressing why YOU as an individual didn't like it (ie: Vulcan gut blowed up...noooo! Two many exploshuns!!! Not cerebral enuff...!), there's no argument about whether it was a "good" movie.


It most ceratinly WAS, by every single measurement that matters.


 


 

parrothead117

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Report this Mar. 27 2011, 8:55 pm

I manage to agree and disagree with Vger all at the same time.  I mean, I haven't seen the movie.  But undoubtedly it was "good," even "great," by cinematic standards.  That's not in dispute.


However, I have no doubt it was a train wreck as a Star Trek movie.  It clearly didn't alienate all ST fans, but it alienated me.  And ironically, though you may not believe me (and why should you), I'm actually quite open-minded and able to accept a fair amount of revisionism.  But I do have clear limits that this movie appears to have crossed in all sorts of ways.  And to that extent, it was not only a "bad" movie for me, it was a bad movie for Star Trek's long-term prospects.  A short term infusion of new blood, new cash, and new fans does not necessarily translate to a 45 year franchise.  The next several decades will show whether this movie does more harm than good, and I'm not optimistic.


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Report this Mar. 27 2011, 10:29 pm

Quote: parrothead117 @ Mar. 27 2011, 8:55 pm

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>I manage to agree and disagree with Vger all at the same time.  I mean, I haven't seen the movie.  But undoubtedly it was "good," even "great," by cinematic standards.  That's not in dispute.

>However, I have no doubt it was a train wreck as a Star Trek movie.  It clearly didn't alienate all ST fans, but it alienated me.  And ironically, though you may not believe me (and why should you), I'm actually quite open-minded and able to accept a fair amount of revisionism.  But I do have clear limits that this movie appears to have crossed in all sorts of ways.  And to that extent, it was not only a "bad" movie for me, it was a bad movie for Star Trek's long-term prospects.  A short term infusion of new blood, new cash, and new fans does not necessarily translate to a 45 year franchise.  The next several decades will show whether this movie does more harm than good, and I'm not optimistic.

>


This reminds me of a comedy bit from Bob & Tom in which a regularly appearing guest reviews films he hasn't seen.

parrothead117

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Report this Mar. 27 2011, 10:33 pm

Sometimes it's completely unnecessary to see a film to know how you feel about it.  Take Battle: LA, for instance.


"We must strive to be more than we are, Lal. It does not matter that we will never reach our ultimate goal. The effort yields its own rewards." - Data, "The Offspring"

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Report this Mar. 27 2011, 10:35 pm

I would disagree with those who say Star Trek 2009 was bad. I think it was a great film. However I will also disagree with those who say that Star Trek 2009 was the best Star Trek anything ever. Overall, Star Trek 2009 is personally my least favorite bit of Star Trek.

mdesjardins

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Report this Mar. 27 2011, 11:02 pm

>I love the raging debate on this. hahahaha



>I am personally obsessed with the new movie. I look at it as seperate from the TOS franchise, but at the same time it's a revival for a modern age. You've got a new story, new actors, but the same family relationship, quirks, and personalities (on a fundamental level). I love it. It's a revival, not a remake or a direct continuation. I think JJ Abrams did a fantastic job, the actors were perfect, and that it had all the humor, fun, and excitement a ST film should have. It was also very modern, so while we lacked some of the old feeling, we also got that 'cool' modern feel.



>I think it was a good compromise and that it brings ST into a new realm.


>It's one of those movies I can watch any time.


>And I definitely agree with both Wild (I liked the new take on the characters... and although I have no idea where they're going to go with it, Spock and Uhura in the elevator was HOT. Zachary Quinto...? YES.) and Vger (as always? hahaha I feel like we're often on the same page).



>It's a good movie.


>Minorities tend to be louder than majorities sometimes, and I feel like this is one of those cases.



>Final point:
Leonard Nimoy liked it. Liked it enough to be in it. According to an interview, he cried the first time I read the whole script.


>Spock being the main tying character throughout the 45 year ST franchise, I feel like his word holds a lot of weight in a circumstance like this.


>

Happy Birthday Leonard Nimoy!!! You are one of the most talented, inspirational, and respectable people to have ever garnered so much fame. llap, always.

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