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The Search for Spock underrated

benlondon

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Report this Mar. 20 2011, 9:05 am

Hi everybody, I'm new to this board so I'm sure this has done before. 


 


Does anyone agree with me that Star Trek 3 is underrated?  I think it's an excellent film yet it gets chucked in with the odd number curse.


 


Thoughts?

parrothead117

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Report this Mar. 20 2011, 9:26 am

I agree that it's underrated.  I actually think it's better than TWOK.  The first hour or so is really well-done, with Sarek's visit to Kirk, and McCoy trying to charter a flight in the Mos Eisley cantina that bar.


Unfortunately, I think it really falls apart towards the end.  Something about Christopher Lloyd and the set pieces on the Genesis planet and David's death just has a flat, false ring.  But I find TWOK relentlessly flat and hoaky, so I'd rather watch SFS.


I actually feel the same way about Final Frontier.  A great first hour and a cringe-worthy ending, but it all adds up to an underrated film.


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Harpo75

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Report this Mar. 20 2011, 11:19 am

I thought The Search For Spock was highly underrated.  The creative writing was exceptional.  They brought Spock back without resorting to time travel and made it very intelligent and believable.  I loved McCoy's "possession" of Spock's thoughts... it was especially moving since these two characters were always at odds.  I liked it all the way through personally; I have no problem with the  latter half.  I always like it when Shatner gets a good opportunity to act as in when David is killed, which was also something of a twist... I really didn't see it coming at the time, and even now the story never appears to telegraph that move to me.  It seemed more like an episode of the series rather than a full scale movie.  The only thing I didn't like is that Kirstie Alley couldn't reprise Savaak.


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Ghostmojo

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Report this Mar. 20 2011, 12:44 pm

I think Kirsty Alley asked for too much money - possibly to fund her increasing interest in nutjob scientology (what is with these films stars?).


The scene at the end where Spock finally recognises his compatriots has me in tears every time - just as when we lose him in TWOK.


Spock is vital to Trek as I have pronounced elsewhere. He's the only character to have had a film made about him.

benlondon

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Report this Mar. 20 2011, 12:59 pm

I also thought Christopher Lloyd was brilliant in it, as he always is.

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Report this Mar. 20 2011, 1:32 pm

TSFS is my favorite Star Trek film so I definitely agree with you that it is underrated.


But honestly, I don't know how anyone who dislikes slash or latent homoeroticism in their entertainment can watch it without feeling really uncomfortable. Kirk is running around in a lilac outfit because his dead bff's soul is his responsiblity "as if it were his very own". He talks about how he's lost the noblest part of himself. He loses his son and his beloved ship but yet he has the most heart-melting grin when Spock says his name after the fal-tor-pan. TSFS is Orpheus and Eurydice only gay and in space where Orpheus successfully doesn't look back ("You don't have to believe! I'm not even sure I believe) and his Eurydice is returned to him.


I also vastly prefer Robin Curtis as Saavik to Kirstie Alley's version. I thought her and Merritt Butrick had really good chemistry that I would have enjoyed seeing further developed on screen.


This film (as well as IV) does the most justice to the ensemble cast. Kirk might be the one who has to spearhead the expedition for Spock and McCoy's sakes, but you see the true loyalty and friendship of the entire crew as they rebel together to save their friends.


I'm also a huge Sarek fan so I was happy that he got such a pivotal role and so much screentime in the film. His mind-meld with Kirk is heart-breaking and some of the best acting Shatner has ever done. I genuinely feel the depth of his grief over losing Spock, the infinite sadness that they were separated and couldn't touch (recalling the way he pressed his fingers to Spocks against the glass), his hurt that there is something left of Spock that was not entrusted to him. It's all very tangible and beautiful.


It makes for an epically gay movie though.

coastcityo

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Report this Mar. 20 2011, 1:32 pm

it just suffers from being the "other" film. It doesn't have the recognition that TWoK has, but Khan's place in Trek is set as being the film that saved Trek after TMP. I just don't see TNG happening without the success of Kahn and the later films. It didn't have the success of TVH, which is one of my favorite of all the Trek films, and the most like an actual TOS episode in my opinion as well as being an ensemble piece. It wasn't the triumphant return of Nick Meyers that TUC was, which is also a little underrated, but very popular on this board. And, it wasn't the dreadful wreck that TFF was, or the boring never ending saga that was the aforementioned TMP. So it just kind of sneaks in as one of the films, without standing out for being great, or for being terrible.


Plus, being an older guy like me, some might remember the backlash against using Christopher Lloyd as the villain, who at the time was best known as Reverend Jim from Taxi, and Doc from the Back to the Future trilogy. But he did rock in that role.


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Report this Mar. 20 2011, 2:23 pm

It was indeed underrated, It came after 'Wrath Of Kahn' and was story baised with little action, but it was a fine film and realy outside of the last film they have in general been consistant.

Vger23

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Report this Mar. 20 2011, 2:55 pm

The Search For Spock is my second-favorite movie in the franchise, after TWOK.


A lot of good has been said here, so I'll not be too in-depth only to repeat a lot of the great things you guys have already pointed out.


But, to summarize, Trek III was a great character story that showed the strength of camradarie and friendship that the TOS crew had for each other...which was always my favorite aspect of any of the series. It had a great villian (also underrated) in Lord Kruge. It also did more for expansion of the Trek universe than any other film in the franchise. It was the first "real" look at the re-tooled Klingons (I don't really count TMP becuase that was more about the make-up than personality or behavior), it introduced the Excelsior-class and Oberth-class starships, both of which survived into the TNG era and beyond. It introduced spacedock and the Klingon BOP as well.


Great, great Trek movie. I put it way ahead of the typical fan favorites of IV and VI.

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Report this Mar. 20 2011, 6:53 pm

I always found The Search for Spock to be a highly enteraining and well made film with above average production values and wonderfuly directed by Leonard Nimoy.


I actually wasn't too crazy about the title...sounded like it should be a Star Wars entry....but I guess that was the thinking during that time.

lnagr1

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Report this Mar. 21 2011, 7:46 pm

It was a terrible movie, the only part I liked was when the USS Enterprise blew up!!!! Sry to all fans of this movie!!!

Matthias Russell

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Report this Mar. 22 2011, 11:15 am

I like TSFS. It contributed a lot of new concepts to the franchise and had some very emotionally stirring moments. It is to Trek what Empire Strikes Back is to SW.
The problem with it, I think, is it has little depth to non-trekkies. It isn't one of the movies you can walk into without knowing a thing about trek and enjoy it.

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Report this Mar. 22 2011, 11:52 am

Quote: lnagr1 @ Mar. 21 2011, 7:46 pm

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>It was a terrible movie, the only part I liked was when the USS Enterprise blew up!!!! Sry to all fans of this movie!!!

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Would you care to elaborate, other than just declaring it "terrible?"


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Report this Mar. 22 2011, 11:53 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Mar. 22 2011, 11:15 am

>I like TSFS. It contributed a lot of new concepts to the franchise and had some very emotionally stirring moments. It is to Trek what Empire Strikes Back is to SW. The problem with it, I think, is it has little depth to non-trekkies. It isn't one of the movies you can walk into without knowing a thing about trek and enjoy it.


 


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Report this Mar. 22 2011, 12:06 pm

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