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Starfleet Academy ... a new TV series

OtakuJo

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Report this May. 31 2011, 6:34 am

Quote: SLagonia @ May. 31 2011, 5:30 am

Quote: santiago.castillo @ May. 30 2011, 8:55 pm

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>What about "Star Trek Temporal Insurrections" it could be about Lt. Daniels' time, with all new technologies and aliens that live in that time. What would the borg be like then? they could go back in time and find out how the Q came to be, or the borg for that matter and where did that dooms day device really come from?

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It can even crossover with Dr. Who

 


Anything with K-9 in it's fine with me.


j/k -- I know he doesn't belong in Trek!


Ultimately I don't mind what idea TPTB go with for a new series, as long as they use it well. And don't lose sight of the point that Trek is about good stories. I really do doubt that any proposal would please all fans. But as long as there are not shortcuts taken -- that's all I would ask of a new series.


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Report this May. 31 2011, 6:51 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ May. 31 2011, 6:34 am

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>Anything with K-9 in it's fine with me.

> j/k -- I know he doesn't belong in Trek!

>Ultimately I don't mind what idea TPTB go with for a new series, as long as they use it well. And don't lose sight of the point that Trek is about good stories. I really do doubt that any proposal would please all fans. But as long as there are not shortcuts taken -- that's all I would ask of a new series.

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K-9 doesn't belong anywhere except dead and buried with the rest of those 80's era gimicks.  Seriously, I loved the decade, but Hollywood spent the entire decade incredibly high.


Anyway, the idea isn't to take everyone's ideas and try to mesh them together, because it would create a jumbled mess.  The idea is to break the fan's ideas down - Find the story within the story.  What is it that the fans want to see at its core?  Then take those core ideas, find commonalities and present it in a traditional format (i.e. on a ship, with a mostly human crew, with lots of morality plays and a running theme).  This won't make everyone happy, but it won't make anyone angry, and with enough skill, it can be made to service both new fans and old.


The last part is the hardest - How to represent all fans.  I break the fans down into four catagories (you may not fit into one, but each of you is either one of these or a combo thereof);


Roddenites - Mostly fans of TOS and TNG.  Prefer idealism over realism and prefer Trek to shine a light on social issues.  Morality plays are the theme of the day, and action is secondary to storyline.  Character, however, may also be considered secondary to the storyline.  Limited to no conflict among the crew and focus on the power of the individual.


Niners - Prefer a show with more realism and grit.  Morality plays are still important, though with more shades of grey.  Character is far more important than story and conflict is natural, but not overdone.  Ideals aren't just blindly followed, but questioned at every turn, and practicality may occasionally win out.  Battles and wars are nice, though they should have a more 'Trek' feel to them (i.e. focused on the characters and the human drama, not the events).  Third-rail issues tackled regularly.


Voyagers - Prefer a lighter and fluffier Trek.  Ideals are never questioned at all and just blindly followed.  Message shows take over for morality plays.  Characters are incredibly important and inter-personal drama should take center stage.  While the human element is still important, action is also required. 


Abramites - Action-adventure takes center stage.  Morality plays and characters unimportant.  The word of the day is fun.  Keep the action fast-paced and constant with few valleys.  Humor should run hand in hand with the action, and it's ok to mix low-brow humor with high-concept humor. 


Now, none of these four has a strangle-hold on Trek, and it's important to realize that each has their own outlook for their own reasons, and should be respected.  A future Trek show would need to accomidate all four of these groups.


"If it doesn't work, paint it." -Unofficial Motto of the Starfleet Border Patrol -------- "Speak for the unheard, secure the vulnerable, bring light to the dark, fight for those who cannot" -Real motto of The Starfleet Border Patrol

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Report this May. 31 2011, 7:12 am

Like the idea but for me it would have to be post Nemesis. Love the thought of B4 going to the Academy!

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Report this May. 31 2011, 7:46 am

Like some other people have said anything Trek at the moment would be great, it's all good. 

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Report this May. 31 2011, 8:53 am

love to see a 24th century Greek chapter on the ST Academy campus

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Report this May. 31 2011, 1:10 pm

I would watch a starfleet tv show. It would be called STARFLEET and Star trek would be in small letters. Man that would be awesome.

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Report this May. 31 2011, 4:11 pm

Quote: SLagonia @ May. 30 2011, 3:54 pm

Quote: Jason222 @ May. 30 2011, 2:00 pm

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>It depends how done starfleet academy if study UFP history in holodeck done class room setting we see all type happen during Star Terk all best TNG,  DS9 , TOS and Ent. So yes I would enjoy see that all over gone. And see undtold less learn Dominion war  .

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So you want an entire series of clip shows?


Not entirly main show still stand out teacher talking what try learn before holodeck is turn and end with class decussing the issues people time facing. However must show would be clip shows likley two part espidoes.


ANother idea did have for star Terk acadamy would idea differnt type starfleet cedets talking day we get see training many differnt levels. In could learning tantics in holographic class room get witness differnt tantic used major battle.In could cedet form MACO, normal starfleet and sector 31.

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Report this May. 31 2011, 5:26 pm


What I have noticed in the two biggest incarnations of Roddenberry's dream, that being Star Trek and Star trek The Next Generation, is that they both were centered around current political issues, just well dressed in scify. That is what made them main stays in this community. There is the hook. Pick the taboo topic of this generation and build a show around it. Star Trek TNG took humans and broke them up in to different races. ie. Klingons: fighters, ferengis: money, the Borg: that part of us that wants to be in control, so on and so forth. But they did hide it well by adding other races and cool graphics. This is something that I noticed about the two original shows and that is what they have to get back to, if they what to not only cultivate new viewers but keep the older Trekkie's happy.


Just saying. 


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Report this May. 31 2011, 7:02 pm

Quote: santiago.castillo @ May. 31 2011, 5:26 pm

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> style="margin-left: 0.08in; margin-right: 0.08in; margin-top: 0.08in; font-style: normal; font-weight: medium; widows: 2; orphans: 2;">What I have noticed in the two biggest incarnations of Roddenberry's dream, that being Star Trek and Star trek The Next Generation, is that they both were centered around current political issues, just well dressed in scify. That is what made them main stays in this community. There is the hook. Pick the taboo topic of this generation and build a show around it. Star Trek TNG took humans and broke them up in to different races. ie. Klingons: fighters, ferengis: money, the Borg: that part of us that wants to be in control, so on and so forth. But they did hide it well by adding other races and cool graphics. This is something that I noticed about the two original shows and that is what they have to get back to, if they what to not only cultivate new viewers but keep the older Trekkie's happy.

style="margin-left: 0.08in; margin-right: 0.08in; margin-top: 0.08in; font-style: normal; font-weight: medium; widows: 2; orphans: 2;">Just saying. 

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Having morality plays touching on modern issues is a need for Trek (though I'd argue it should center more on timeless issues than modern ones most of the time), but basing an entire show around one topic would be hard unless it were a subject that encompassed a lot of smaller topics.


"If it doesn't work, paint it." -Unofficial Motto of the Starfleet Border Patrol -------- "Speak for the unheard, secure the vulnerable, bring light to the dark, fight for those who cannot" -Real motto of The Starfleet Border Patrol

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Report this May. 31 2011, 9:50 pm

Quote: SLagonia @ May. 31 2011, 6:51 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ May. 31 2011, 6:34 am

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>Anything with K-9 in it's fine with me.

> j/k -- I know he doesn't belong in Trek!

>Ultimately I don't mind what idea TPTB go with for a new series, as long as they use it well. And don't lose sight of the point that Trek is about good stories. I really do doubt that any proposal would please all fans. But as long as there are not shortcuts taken -- that's all I would ask of a new series.

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K-9 doesn't belong anywhere except dead and buried with the rest of those 80's era gimicks.  Seriously, I loved the decade, but Hollywood spent the entire decade incredibly high.

Anyway, the idea isn't to take everyone's ideas and try to mesh them together, because it would create a jumbled mess.  The idea is to break the fan's ideas down - Find the story within the story.  What is it that the fans want to see at its core?  Then take those core ideas, find commonalities and present it in a traditional format (i.e. on a ship, with a mostly human crew, with lots of morality plays and a running theme).  This won't make everyone happy, but it won't make anyone angry, and with enough skill, it can be made to service both new fans and old.

The last part is the hardest - How to represent all fans.  I break the fans down into four catagories (you may not fit into one, but each of you is either one of these or a combo thereof);

Roddenites - Mostly fans of TOS and TNG.  Prefer idealism over realism and prefer Trek to shine a light on social issues.  Morality plays are the theme of the day, and action is secondary to storyline.  Character, however, may also be considered secondary to the storyline.  Limited to no conflict among the crew and focus on the power of the individual.

Niners - Prefer a show with more realism and grit.  Morality plays are still important, though with more shades of grey.  Character is far more important than story and conflict is natural, but not overdone.  Ideals aren't just blindly followed, but questioned at every turn, and practicality may occasionally win out.  Battles and wars are nice, though they should have a more 'Trek' feel to them (i.e. focused on the characters and the human drama, not the events).  Third-rail issues tackled regularly.

Voyagers - Prefer a lighter and fluffier Trek.  Ideals are never questioned at all and just blindly followed.  Message shows take over for morality plays.  Characters are incredibly important and inter-personal drama should take center stage.  While the human element is still important, action is also required. 

Abramites - Action-adventure takes center stage.  Morality plays and characters unimportant.  The word of the day is fun.  Keep the action fast-paced and constant with few valleys.  Humor should run hand in hand with the action, and it's ok to mix low-brow humor with high-concept humor. 

Now, none of these four has a strangle-hold on Trek, and it's important to realize that each has their own outlook for their own reasons, and should be respected.  A future Trek show would need to accomidate all four of these groups.


 


Pish posh, I liked Voyager but never considered it a "lighter fluffier Trek" .


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Report this May. 31 2011, 10:16 pm

Quote: SLagonia @ May. 31 2011, 6:51 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ May. 31 2011, 6:34 am

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>Anything with K-9 in it's fine with me.

> j/k -- I know he doesn't belong in Trek!

>Ultimately I don't mind what idea TPTB go with for a new series, as long as they use it well. And don't lose sight of the point that Trek is about good stories. I really do doubt that any proposal would please all fans. But as long as there are not shortcuts taken -- that's all I would ask of a new series.

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K-9 doesn't belong anywhere except dead and buried with the rest of those 80's era gimicks.  Seriously, I loved the decade, but Hollywood spent the entire decade incredibly high.

 


Hollywood's got sweet Fanny Adams to do with Doctor Who. We could get into an entirely new thread about this -- but I'll always like cheesy '80s Dr Who better than the post-movie stuff.


But anyhow... Your analysis of Trek fandom is pretty good -- I think the idea of an Academy series also makes my belly squirm. The trick for fans is perhaps a) to calm that squirming belly, and b) to note that their favourite series is not going to POOF out of existence because Star Trek has gone in a direction that doesn't quite fit their mould, and c) to give everything a chance.


I wasn't best fond of the movie idea, come to think of it. And it's still a little action-ey for my taste, but hey. It turned out all right. I have a feeling that an Academy series might -- just might -- turn out all right too (in spite of how the idea makes my tummy feel.) Even that, I would watch at least once.


Although instinctively, I think it does still belong in comic books and YA novels. The key to a new Star Trek series may lie in its potential for variety, as has made the others successful.


Oh. And K-9 is awesome-cheesy.


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