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Treknoir

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Report this May. 24 2011, 8:59 am

Quote: padracin @ May. 23 2011, 6:55 pm

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>To expand on this theme a little - exactly how many species/races/cultures originating from Vulcan are there in the ST universe?  There's Vulcan, Romulans, Remans, the 'proto-vulcan' culture studied in TNG, and the rebel culture encountered in Enterprise - Vulcans who wanted to experience all emotions (can't remember what they were called).  Were there others I missed?

>It seems that most of the Vulcanians in the universe do not follow the philosophy of Surak.  It leaves open some interesting possibilities for the alternate universe in the recent movie.  When Spock says there's only a few thousand vulcans left - did he mean colonist from Vulcan who followed Surak's philosophy?


IMO He meant cultural Vulcans. I guess we should assume that the general species evolved on Vulcan and some left the planet millennia ago to start new cultures. 


http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Vulcan


Culturally one of the most fascinating species in the Federation, the Vulcans were once an extremely violent and emotional people (even by Earth standards) who waged almost constant warfare on one another. (TOS: "Balance of Terror") They believed in a variety of gods, such as war, peace and death. (TNG: "Gambit, Part II") As their level of technology improved, the Vulcans eventually reached a point where their violent nature threatened species extinction. (ENT: "Awakening")


Surak, father of Vulcan logic


In an effort to avoid this fate, a Vulcan named Surak developed a new philosophy thereby igniting the Time of Awakening. Surak maintained that the root cause of all the problems on Vulcan lay in the uncontrolled outpouring of the people's emotions. His followers swore to live their lives by an ethical system devised by Surak and based purely on logical principles. Emotions were to be controlled and repressed. (TAS: "Yesteryear")


Although this new philosophy spread rapidly across Vulcan, a minority, many of whom were known as "those who march beneath the Raptor's wings", rejected Surak's ideals. A destructive war began including the use of atomic bombs and among the victims was Surak himself. (ENT: "The Forge", "Awakening")


Eventually, however, those who opposed logic left Vulcan and founded colonies elsewhere (TNG: "Gambit, Part I", "Gambit, Part II") – most notably on the planet Romulus, where they founded what eventually became the Romulan Star Empire. (TOS: "Balance of Terror", "The Enterprise Incident"; TNG: "Unification I", "Unification II") At some point in history, the Romulans and the Vulcans engaged in a hundred-year long war against one another. The war was instigated by the actions of a member of the Q Continuum. (VOY: "Death Wish")


Another group that rejected Surak's philosophy was known as the "V'tosh ka'tur" or "Vulcans without logic". The V'tosh ka'tur believed in controlling emotions by allowing themselves to actively experience them rather than suppressing them. Many of these also left Vulcan, and took up a nomadic existence. (ENT: "Fusion")


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guillermo.mejía

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Report this May. 24 2011, 2:34 pm

Okay, so I'm thinking last night and it suddenly occurs to me, What are Vulcan ideals on marriage?" I can only guess that for all their pomp and circunstance and what not (Pon-Farr, and yes, it's not really part of weddings, but in fits in there...), I can't help now but think of Sarek as a hound dog!


I mean, the man had three women (I'm assuming Sybok's mother was not a Pon-Farr solver, lol, but rather some kind of relationship). So again, i can't help but wonder, with Sarek being what I call a prime example of a real Vulcan, what's their take on marriage?


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Treknoir

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Report this May. 24 2011, 3:34 pm

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ May. 24 2011, 2:34 pm

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>Okay, so I'm thinking last night and it suddenly occurs to me, What are Vulcan ideals on marriage?" I can only guess that for all their pomp and circunstance and what not (Pon-Farr, and yes, it's not really part of weddings, but in fits in there...), I can't help now but think of Sarek as a hound dog!

>I mean, the man had three women (I'm assuming Sybok's mother was not a Pon-Farr solver, lol, but rather some kind of relationship). So again, i can't help but wonder, with Sarek being what I call a prime example of a real Vulcan, what's their take on marriage?

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It is assumed that Sybok's mother was the female Sarek was bonded to as a child because she was pure Vulcan. And a Princess. They married and various sources say they either divorced or she died. Then, he married Amanda, and when she died, Perrin. Perrin outlived Sarek.


Dude lived over two centuries. I fail to see how marrying three times (possibly all were until death broke the bond) makes him a hound dog.


Sarek, at least as far as canon, was a serial monogamist.


 


It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want. - Spock

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Report this Jun. 02 2011, 4:22 pm

Was the surface of planet Vulcan so deadly all the time, or it is a result of the war, that almost destroyed all the planet, and the nuclear winter afterwards? I think this would explain the caves- Maybe many of the Vulcans are not used to live on surface and still prefer underground.


When I watched TOS for the first time, until Amok time I thought Spock's world should look something like Asian part of Russia, Siberia and Caucas- with green plains, mountains, forests and wastelands either. Maybe because of Nimoy's appearance? I think he looks part asian..


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Treknoir

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Report this Jun. 03 2011, 9:07 am

Quote: Ziriath @ Jun. 02 2011, 4:22 pm

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>Was the surface of planet Vulcan so deadly all the time, or it is a result of the war, that almost destroyed all the planet, and the nuclear winter afterwards? I think this would explain the caves- Maybe many of the Vulcans are not used to live on surface and still prefer underground.

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Possible I guess.


 


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