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Treknoir

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Report this Mar. 16 2011, 2:41 pm

I was encouraged to start this thread by a fellow V/R fan. Whatever anyone wants to discuss about Romulans or Vulcans. Characters, culture, etc. Jump right on in.


I'll start. Reunification: pipe dream or inevitable?


It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want. - Spock

267198ed

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Report this Mar. 16 2011, 3:46 pm

XD Jolan Tru!


Reading your post on the Romulan thread, I am inclined to agree the reunification is possible, however I think it would be a very long draw out process that many from both sides would try to prevent. But seeing how strongly the Romulan people feel about unification, and that Ambassador Spock is willing to basically risk his life by staying to help teach, etc I see no reason why reunification would not be inevitable. 


Although, it could take a Romulan revolution to change things, which the Vulcans would most likely not be a part of, unless they found an effective non-violent way to do such a thing, in which the Vulcans would probably support them completely.


Jolan Tru, may your day be filled with peace.

switcherdawna

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Report this Mar. 16 2011, 3:52 pm

The Vulcans would have to demonstrate what the benefits of logic have done for them... and the Romulans might have to be at the point of civil war before they want to look at it.


Maybe because the planet Vulcan was destroyed, the Romulans will find a spot for the remaining Vulcans on Romulus.

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Report this Mar. 16 2011, 4:01 pm

... Romulan civil war would be interesting, but after that I don’t think the Vulcans would support either side.


And I’m talking about the normal timeline, not 09 timeline which came about from when the Borg sphere crashes on Earth, I believe this is from ENT, and that and some other shenanigans started this whole other timeline that became Trek 09. Or at least that’s how I am some others like to explain away what Abrams did to our wonderful Vulcans and Romulans. 


Jolan Tru, may your day be filled with peace.

Treknoir

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Report this Mar. 16 2011, 4:39 pm

I agree that it would be a long, painful, even violent process. AndI'm still of the mind that Vulcans aren't so squeaky clean as to be beyond war and treachery (V'Las anyone?).


JMO, but I think extremism of any kind (and both culures are extreme) will eventually backfire and cause its own demise. So yeah, I think it would be pefectly logical (LOL) to assume enough Vulcans could wake up one day and feel like, "damn I need a hug and good laugh," and enough Romulans could feel like, "sick of war and sick of corruption." Then, the foundation would be laid for a reformation/revolution/separation movement.


It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want. - Spock

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Report this Mar. 16 2011, 5:01 pm

Yes, I think that although Vulcans have come very far and I love their culture, aspects of a ceremonial Buddhist society which I greatly appreciate and identify with, if they embraced and explored their emotions, learned to control them without suppressing them that they would be much better off in the end. Basically I think they just need to complete their Buddhist ways. Accept that they have emotions, explore why they feel the way they do, without allowing their logical intelligent minds to be controlled by them.


Romulans need some of the opposite. While they are supposed to have very strong morals, and obviously lots of them still do, they are the perfect example of power corrupting people, now most of their leaders have a twisted sense of justice and right and wrong, choosing to further the Empire at almost, if not any cost. (Thus Admiral Alidar Jarok being fed misinformation leading to his defection and sadly his suicide).


I think that reunification would correct both issues and bring both races to a high point in their evolution. What they learned whilst separated would make both stronger in all aspects if/when they unify.


Jolan Tru, may your day be filled with peace.

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Report this Mar. 16 2011, 5:08 pm

Quote: Treknoir @ Mar. 16 2011, 4:39 pm

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>JMO, but I think extremism of any kind (and both culures are extreme) will eventually backfire and cause its own demise. So yeah, I think it would be pefectly logical (LOL) to assume enough Vulcans could wake up one day and feel like, "damn I need a hug and good laugh," and enough Romulans could feel like, "sick of war and sick of corruption." Then, the foundation would be laid for a reformation/revolution/separation movement.

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Wouldn't that be fun to watch?  But also devestating for both cultures.  I think if Vulcans decided to embrace something other than logic, there would have to be another breakaway culture emerge.  It would be like the Vulcan/Romulan split all over again.  Plus, Vulcans have stifled their emotions for so long, there is no telling what they'd do with them.  Possibly go on a rampage...start an interplanetary war...who knows?


As for Romulans becoming logical...well, there might would be a split there too.  Maybe the logical Vulcan culture and the logical Romulan culture could unite, and the emotional Vulcan culture and emotional Romulan culture could unite!  Oh wait, that would still leave them divided


"Logic is little tweeting bird chirping in meadow. Logic is wreath of pretty flowers that smell bad."

Treknoir

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Report this Mar. 16 2011, 5:10 pm

Quote: 267198ed @ Mar. 16 2011, 5:01 pm

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>I think that reunification would correct both issues and bring both races to a high point in their evolution. What they learned whilst separated would make both stronger in all aspects if/when they unify.

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Interesting concept. Sort of like the Mystics and the Skeksis from The Dark Crystal being reunited as the urSkeks.


 


It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want. - Spock

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Report this Mar. 16 2011, 5:15 pm

Quote: Treknoir @ Mar. 16 2011, 5:10 pm

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>I think that reunification would correct both issues and bring both races to a high point in their evolution. What they learned whilst separated would make both stronger in all aspects if/when they unify.

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Interesting concept. Sort of like the Mystics and the Skeksis from The Dark Crystal being reunited as the urSkeks.

 


Funny you should mention that movie, seeing as how I also grew up on it. And now that I’ve been made aware of the similarities to our Romulan/Vulcan friends, for one I need to go watch it again, and also I realize just how well the two compare. Swell. Love Jim Henson, another genius.


Jolan Tru, may your day be filled with peace.

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Report this Mar. 16 2011, 5:18 pm

I could really talk Trek philosophy and politics all day. Most grand, engaging and thought provoking indeed.


Jolan Tru, may your day be filled with peace.

Treknoir

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Report this Mar. 16 2011, 5:23 pm

Quote: SpockNation @ Mar. 16 2011, 5:08 pm

Quote: Treknoir @ Mar. 16 2011, 4:39 pm

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Wouldn't that be fun to watch?  But also devestating for both cultures.  I think if Vulcans decided to embrace something other than logic, there would have to be another breakaway culture emerge.  It would be like the Vulcan/Romulan split all over again.  Plus, Vulcans have stifled their emotions for so long, there is no telling what they'd do with them.  Possibly go on a rampage...start an interplanetary war...who knows?

As for Romulans becoming logical...well, there might would be a split there too.  Maybe the logical Vulcan culture and the logical Romulan culture could unite, and the emotional Vulcan culture and emotional Romulan culture could unite!  Oh wait, that would still leave them divided


Ahh, but there is really nothing keeping them from embracing logic and emotion. And Vulcans have their moments too. They swing blades at each other to end betrothals. Sheesh! Isn't that what McCoy alluded to, that maybe their repression has to be vented in some kind of way? It is bubbling underneath the surface.


 


 


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Report this Mar. 16 2011, 5:24 pm

Quote: 267198ed @ Mar. 16 2011, 5:15 pm

Quote: Treknoir @ Mar. 16 2011, 5:10 pm

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Funny you should mention that movie, seeing as how I also grew up on it. And now that I’ve been made aware of the similarities to our Romulan/Vulcan friends, for one I need to go watch it again, and also I realize just how well the two compare. Swell. Love Jim Henson, another genius.


I believe they are preparing to shoot a sequel! Yay!


 


It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want. - Spock

Treknoir

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Report this Mar. 16 2011, 5:25 pm

Quote: 267198ed @ Mar. 16 2011, 5:18 pm

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>I could really talk Trek philosophy and politics all day. Most grand, engaging and thought provoking indeed.

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It's fun!


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Report this Mar. 16 2011, 5:51 pm

Quote: Treknoir @ Mar. 16 2011, 5:23 pm

Quote: SpockNation @ Mar. 16 2011, 5:08 pm

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> >Ahh, but there is really nothing keeping them from embracing logic and emotion. And Vulcans have their moments too. They swing blades at each other to end betrothals. Sheesh! Isn't that what McCoy alluded to, that maybe their repression has to be vented in some kind of way? It is bubbling underneath the surface.

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no matter how many Vulcans deny it, we all know they are very emotional creatures, even when they aren't under the influence of some alien substance (spores, pollen, etc).  

 

 


"Logic is little tweeting bird chirping in meadow. Logic is wreath of pretty flowers that smell bad."

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Report this Mar. 16 2011, 6:12 pm

^ One could say that denying ones selves of emotion would be illogical. To fight against nature at the very core.



Jolan Tru, may your day be filled with peace.

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