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"Who Watches the Watchers" continuity issue

parrothead117

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Report this Mar. 14 2011, 9:23 pm

Much is made in the third season episode "Who Watches the Watchers" (one of the best, IMO) about the proto-Vulcans of Mintaka III being innately logical, non-superstitious creatures.  The script mentions that they held superstitious beliefs generations previously, but it seems to indicate that they possess fundamentally rational minds as befits proto-Vulcans.


Yet we know that ancient Vulcans were far from innately logical or rational.  Rather, they were primal, violent, emotional creatures, and only learned to suppress these natural tendencies through the development of a quasi-religious cult of logic.  So it would seem innacurate to ascribe logical tendencies to proto-Vulcans.


What do you think, does this qualify as a continuity error?


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KelisThePoet

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Report this Mar. 14 2011, 11:10 pm

It's been a while since I watched the original series episode "Balance of Terror," but isn't the implication in that episode that the Romulans broke with the Vulcans before the Vulcans adopted their culture of logic?--in which case, the development of some kind of space travel would have to predate Vulcan logic.  The Romulans seem far less innately logical than do those proto-Vulcans in "Who Watches the Watchers."


I really like the episode, though.  One of Picard's/Patrick Stewart's best.


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Report this Mar. 15 2011, 9:44 am

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>- i think it is all about which was written first.

>- Vulcan history and culture had not been canonized at the time of TNG, so they assumed that it was a gradual evolutionary process and then ENT went and changed it all.

>- TOS alludes to Surak as the father of Vulcan logic but it was not until ENT that it was placed as so recent to what we consider Vulcan society.

>- TNG thought it would take awhile and ENT did not ... TOS took no stance.

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Actually, there is a great deal of information given about the Vulcan history and movement toward logic in TOS. Look at "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" and "The Savage Curtain" for example. There (and in other places), it is said in dialogue that Vulcan used to be savage, and only the discipline of emotion saved them.


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Report this Mar. 15 2011, 1:06 pm

Maybe the Vulcans were logical before they became savage, then regressed. i don't think that that is so much of a continuity error as just another side of vulcanoids.


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Report this Mar. 15 2011, 8:56 pm

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>- Vulcan history and culture had not been canonized at the time of TNG, so they assumed that it was a gradual evolutionary process and then ENT went and changed it all.

>- TOS alludes to Surak as the father of Vulcan logic but it was not until ENT that it was placed as so recent to what we consider Vulcan society.

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I think it's made very clear in TOS that Vulcans' distant ancestors were not logical.  So this should have been known to the TNG writers.  And I'm sure it was, yet I think they make an error in "WWTW" by implying that the Mintakans are logical BECAUSE they are somehow similar to proto-Vulcans.  In fact, if they are similar to proto-Vulcans, they should be highly illogical based on what we know about Vulcan history from TOS.


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Report this Mar. 16 2011, 12:31 am

Is it possible that the Vulcanoids (I like that term) in "Who Watches the Watchers" are not on a perfectly parallel course of development with Vulcans, but on a similar course because of their similar physiology?  The specific historical developments of Vulcans and these Vulcanoids appear different, but Vulcans are capable of both great logic and great savagery, as the people in "Who Watches the Watchers" also proved to be.

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Report this Mar. 16 2011, 2:02 pm

I like that explanation. Very logical!


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