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Report this May. 13 2011, 1:38 pm

Quote: Matthias Russell @ May. 13 2011, 10:06 am

>So cloaking devices and cell phones give you brain cancer but holo-fields don't? If a cloak/holo field DOESN'T hide a ship from sensors, what's the point? They don't fly and fight ships via windows.


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Report this May. 13 2011, 3:53 pm

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>Wouldn't a cloaking device have been useful against say the Borg or anyone else in battle. Maybe not when you are at peace but if your society is battling for existence you use any means available to win (aside from morally abhorent things like genocide etc).

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The only thing about having a clocking device with the Borg around is that if they assimilated some Starfleet officers who even knew just the basics of how the cloak worked the Borg would instantly adapt and employ their own cloak. Which would be a very seriously bad thing.

@Matthias, yes thank you, exactly, enough said.

It’s no wonder the Romulans hate humans, every time they mess with their Empire they get screwed over. Sela, Shinzon, nothing good came from either of them. Just hearing those two names is enough to understand why they are so paranoid.

But didn't the Borg assimilate any Romulans?  I could have sworn we saw some.


Yes they did indeed . In the Voyager episode "Unity" Where Chakotay crash land on a planet after detecting a federation disstres signal . The doctor there is Romulan . We also see there when they heal Chekotay the Klingons fighting the Borg cube Id say that was the Klingon ships at Wolf 359 .


 Id say the borg have assimilated cloaking technolagy but don,t use it as they like to intimadate a frighten pther races make them feel hopeless so they fight back less and eventually all give in a get assimilated . Maybe on the very rear occasion the Borg would use it but I would say not much . Id say they are well able to detect cloaked ships do .


Romulans are well able to work there own cloaking sysems they invented it and then they gave it to the klingons in exchange for better ships . Id say the Romulan cloak is more superior compared to the Klingon one as the Klingons are mostly warriors the Romulan are more scientific and more intellignt .  


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Report this May. 13 2011, 6:02 pm

I know the treaty in "the pegaseus" but I thought it was interesting in "all good things" during TNG the third timeline Picard was in they mention the Enterprise finally having the cloaking device.


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Report this May. 14 2011, 8:46 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ May. 13 2011, 10:06 am

>So cloaking devices and cell phones give you brain cancer but holo-fields don't? If a cloak/holo field DOESN'T hide a ship from sensors, what's the point? They don't fly and fight ships via windows.


Two different devices: the duckblinds ares used to spy on low-to-no tech pre-warp planets.  No need for them to hide from sensor scans from orbit.  Cloaks a tatical devices designed for combat and espionage.  So they'd be a lot more powerful and complete in their coverage.


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Report this May. 14 2011, 6:37 pm

They had cloaking devices on the Baku planet, not just the duck blind.  The holoship had one and the individual people had them.


 


Not only that, no one heard and saw footprints?


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Report this May. 15 2011, 9:52 am

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Yes. How many times is the federation studying prewarp civilizations or trying to prevent their discovery by such civilizations. God forbid the enterprise is in the solar system of such a planet who happen to have space probes and telescopes and see the ship. Or how often does a ship end up pulled back in time and is orbiting present day earth or another ufp planet. Would be nice to cloak the ship so as not to change time.

Can you honestly say many of these situations would not be handled more easily anw with less culturaland timeline contaminiation with a cloak? 

I still see it as a want and not a need. Also, you assume the technology would have widespread rather than limited application. Maybe, maybe not. First of all, it clearly requires a lot of energy. Second, it has flaws and limitations. Third, long-term exposure leads to negative health effects on beings and damage to planets.

I base my opinion on information found in http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Cloaking_device.

Now, I'm not saying the UFP should never ever have the technology. I'm just saying that it's not a critical need and not necessarily a technological panacea.

This question kinda reminds me of the topic created a while ago about replicators. Some of the posters seemed to think every dang thing would be replicated and life would be easy. Except that "realistically" and as shown by ST, sentient beings ability to harness and use energy is finite, even though energy sources are greater and more powerful in the ST future. These things require a lot of energy and advanced technology. And technology has its limitations. That and natural physical limitations.

Just because something can be done doesn't mean it should be done, is practical, safe, or efficient.

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If I had to make a list of technology the UFP should get a hold of immediately these would be at the top of the list:

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Transwarp_conduit

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Quantum_slipstream_drive

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Phased_polaron_beam

Still requires massive energy, but the conduits would DEFINITELY be a boost to exploration and movement around the galaxy.


 


It seems that you are thinking of the TOS cloak when it came to consumption of power. Shinzon's ship in Nemises did not have this problem nor did it have those limitations:


 


Another advanced cloak was encountered in 2379. The Reman warbird Scimitar employed a new type of "perfect" cloaking device that did not give off any tachyon emissions or residual antiprotons, making the Scimitar completely undetectable while cloaked. It allowed the ship to fire weapons and use shields while cloaked, as well as allow the ship to drop the cloak protecting certain quadrants of the ship without de-cloaking the entire ship at once. The effectiveness of this technology was demonstrated when the Scimitar engaged the USS Enterprise-E, the Valdore, and another warbird in the Bassen Rift, and was able to destroy one of the warbirds and cripple the other without suffering any significant damage. Only through repeated blind targeting, barrages of phasers and torpedoes, and the use of telepathic triangulation by Commander Deanna Troi was the Enterprise-E able to overcome the Scimitar's cloak. (Star Trek Nemesis)


Enterprise -E Battles the Scimitar


 


 


ANy other problems with the cloaking device was pre Nemisis and I believe that any planet with the type of cloak that shizon had would be highly successful.


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Report this May. 15 2011, 3:16 pm

 


 


 



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It seems that you are thinking of the TOS cloak when it came to consumption of power. Shinzon's ship in Nemises did not have this problem nor did it have those limitations:



Another advanced cloak was encountered in 2379. The Reman warbird Scimitar employed a new type of "perfect" cloaking device that did not give off any tachyon emissions or residual antiprotons, making the Scimitar completely undetectable while cloaked. It allowed the ship to fire weapons and use shields while cloaked, as well as allow the ship to drop the cloak protecting certain quadrants of the ship without de-cloaking the entire ship at once. The effectiveness of this technology was demonstrated when the Scimitar engaged the USS Enterprise-E, the Valdore, and another warbird in the Bassen Rift, and was able to destroy one of the warbirds and cripple the other without suffering any significant damage. Only through repeated blind targeting, barrages of phasers and torpedoes, and the use of telepathic triangulation by Commander Deanna Troi was the Enterprise-E able to overcome the Scimitar's cloak. (Star Trek Nemesis)



Enterprise -E Battles the Scimitar



ANy other problems with the cloaking device was pre Nemisis and I believe that any planet with the type of cloak that shizon had would be highly successful.



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Good points. Thanks. I guess I just never found cloaks to be all that awesome in ST because SF ALWAYS found a way around them. Sort of like the sci-fi equivalent of Scooby Doo and the gang quickly and easily figuring out who's the ghost/monster.



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